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Posted on 10/31/2010 10:03:24 PM PDT by Daryl L.Hunter
Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it. (Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.) Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically. In doing all this, fascism denatured the marketplace. Entrepreneurship was abolished. State ministries, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions.
(Excerpt) Read more at econlib.org ...
Um, yup. Duh.
Thanks for history lesson. Particularly interesting:
“It is a matter of controversy whether President Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal was directly influenced by fascist economic policies. Mussolini praised the New Deal as “boldly . . . interventionist in the field of economics,” and Roosevelt complimented Mussolini for his “honest purpose of restoring Italy” and acknowledged that he kept “in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.” Also, Hugh Johnson, head of the National Recovery Administration, was known to carry a copy of Raffaello Viglione’s pro-Mussolini book, The Corporate State, with him, presented a copy to Labor Secretary Frances Perkins, and, on retirement, paid tribute to the Italian dictator.”
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Sent this to my mail list (including my socialist niece, who has accused me of being a fascist). Also sent a link to the planks of the communist manifesto,
http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist-Manifesto-Planks.html
He who fails to learn from the past is doomed to repeat it.
Great graphic :D
Too many people think Fascist is like Nazi and throw the term around much to loosely. Hopefully this link will clarify for those looking for the real meaning.
You might send her some excerpts from this page to straighten her out:
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The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.” -- Robert A Heinlein |
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Government Control of Businesses and Demands for harsh punishments for victimless commercial behavior (including setting ones' own prices or wages, engaging in so-called "insider trading," competing with protected monopolies and/or setting one's own criteria for selecting customers or employees)
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Demands for Quotas In Private Businesses and Organizations based upon Race, Nationality, Ethnicity or Class Consciousness
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Demands for Immigration Quotas based upon Race, Nationality, Ethnicity or Class Consciousness
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Demands for Personal Sacrifices in the name of "the proletariat," "the master race," national pride, the fatherland, the "common good," "society," "public service," "for 'your own' good," national defense or ANYthing (even when not threatened by foreign aggressors)
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Disrespect for Free Speech; Demands for Speech Codes Among Adults and even censorship in non-government public communications (for "political correctness" or "to protect the children" or whatever)
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Demands for State-Enforced Restrictions on, and harsh punishments for, victimless personal behavior (including hiring your own doctor, teacher, or sexual partner, using medicines or narcotics not "approved" by the government, etc.)
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Demands for Government to be Cut Down to, and Kept Small by, Strictly-Enforced Constitutional Limits
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Now, for those defiantly ignorant folks who insist on calling everyone with whom they disagree a "fascist," note that:
Of the 13 hallmarks listed above, FASCISTS share 9 with Socialists, 9 with American "Liberals", 7 with Authoritarian Populists, 5 with American Conservatives, and NONE with the Founding Fathers or the Libertarians.
FASCISTS share the positions taken EITHER in favor OR against the 13 hallmarks listed above with Socialists 12 times, with Authoritarian Populists 11 times, with Conservatives 7 times, with the Founding Fathers twice, with Libertarians once and with American "Liberals" ALL 13 times. Note: Although American Liberals don't usually advocate the outright theft (or "nationalizing" if you prefer) of businesses and other private property by government any more, they often praise, defend and even advocate foreign dictators who still do, especially if those dictators were democratically elected.
It would appear that only the Founding Fathers and the libertarians avoid confusing government with society, have a good grasp of how all government activity has unintended consequences, and whose public policy principles are based on the golden rule -- in other words, on individualist morality, not collectivist legality."One byproduct of individualism is benevolence -- a general attitude of good will towards one's neighbors and fellow human beings. Benevolence is impossible in a society where people violate each others' rights." -- Glenn Woiceshyn
Also see: The trouble with the ancient "left-right" political spectrum:HERE,
The "Government=Society" Fallacy HERE,
Centralized vs. Multiple Economies:HERE,
Collectivism vs. Individualism:HERE,
Socialism "vs." Fascism:HERE,
"Berserk in Berserkely":HERE,
The "Nolan Charts":HERE,
Price Controls:HERE,
Campaign Finance "Reform":HERE
The Liberal-Corporate Complex:HERE
"Paint their swastiKa green": HERE, and
Quotations and aphorisms HERE.
| "The Left/Right scale is a misleading way of comparing political systems. It doesn't measure anything." -- Marshall Fritz | ||
| "What, actually, is the difference between communism and fascism? Both are forms of statism, authoritarianism. The only difference between Stalin’s communism and Mussolini’s fascism is an insignificant detail in organizational structure." -- Leonard E. Read, in "Neither Left Nor Right" | ||
| "If you depart from moral absolutes, you go into a bottomless pit. Communism and Naziism were catastrophic evils which both derived from moral relativism. Their differences were minor compared to their similarities." -- celebrated historian Paul Johnson | ||
| "The superficial distinctions of Fascism, Bolshevism, Hitlerism, are the concern of journalists and publicists; the serious student sees in them only one root-idea of a complete conversion of social power into State power." -- Albert Jay Nock | ||
| “You want to know what fascism is like? It is like your New Deal!”- Benito Mussolini to Grover Whalen, 1939 | ||
| "The Radical Centre seem to have the same obsession with control that the fascists and communists had, but unlike them, it is control for control's sake rather than in the service of some clear ideology ... They do not seek the triumph of Volk or the dictatorship of the proletariat, they just seek to replace all social interactions with politically mediated interactions. They seek to regulate everything via a total state that ... just wants a world in which nothing whatsoever is private, everything is political. Their symbol is not the Hammer and Sickle or the Swastika, it is the CCTV camera." -- Perry de Havilland | ||
| "Those who complain the most about the quality of the people in power are the ones who put all that power there in the first place. Well, what kind of people did they expect it all to attract, anyway? Sheesh!" -- Rick Gaber | ||
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| "Free enterprise capitalism exists only when people in the private sector are free to pursue their own interests without direction from government. When politicians start passing laws to tell them what to do, or bureaucrats start issuing edicts to tell them what to do, it is no longer capitalism; it's fascism." -- Rick Gaber | ||
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waaaayy too stupid (or evil) to deserve respect." -- Bert Rand |
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THE TRUE BELIEVER CAMPUS FASCISM "Political Correctness" leads to kangaroo courts Remember ORWELL: "Hate Crimes" mean..Thought Police! FIGHTING MIND CONTROL AT AMERICAN COLLEGES HATE CRIMES & BUSINESS PEOPLE TWO STEPS AHEAD OF THE THOUGHT POLICE THE NEW THOUGHT POLICE |
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| "We are Socialists, we are enemies of the capitalistic economic system for the explotation of the economically weak, with it's unfair salaries, with it's unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions" -- Adolph Hitler, May 1 1927 "Fascist ethics begin ... with the acknowledgment that it is not the individual who confers a meaning upon society, but it is, instead, the existence of a human society which determines the human character of the individual. According to Fascism, a true, a great spiritual life cannot take place unless the State has risen to a position of pre-eminence in the world of man. The curtailment of liberty thus becomes justified at once, and this need of rising the State to its rightful position." -- Mario Palmieri, "The Philosophy of Fascism" 1936 "To be a socialist is to submit the I to the thou; socialism is sacrificing the individual to the whole." -- Joseph Goebbels, Minister of Propaganda, National Socialist German Workers' ("Nazi") Party "We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society." -- Hillary Clinton, 1993 |
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| "Free enterprise capitalism exists only when people in the private sector are free to pursue their own interests without direction from government. When politicians start passing laws to tell them what to do, or bureaucrats start issuing edicts to tell them what to do, it is no longer capitalism; it's fascism." -- Rick Gaber | ||
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what people do, as long as it is compulsory." -- George Will |
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