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I can definitely understand banning devices that have a live connection to the Internet such as a laptop, but since the iPad and Kindle don't NEED an live WiFi or even 3G cellular Internet connection to work most of the time, this ban borders on ridiculous.

I mean, look at the Amazon Kindle: you only need Internet access to download the latest book, daily newspaper or magazine issue. Most of the other times, the Kindle operates quietly, and since it uses an e-ink display there are no distracting backlights to deal with like you have with an iPad.

These coffee shops are going to start losing a LOT of business if they ban people from using an e-book reader in the coffee shop.

1 posted on 02/13/2011 6:05:54 AM PST by RayChuang88
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I couldn’t read the rest of the article because I’m not a subscriber, but this strikes me as incredibly stupid. But it’s typical of the romantic, anti-technological mindset of the liberal world (and I’m sure the average “coffee shop” owner is pretty liberal, unless we’re talking about Greek diners, which I don’t think we are).

Maybe books are too modern. Maybe the readers need to haul out a roll of parchment. Oh - but wait, isn’t the cash register electronic???


2 posted on 02/13/2011 6:13:43 AM PST by livius
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When I worked in restaurants during my college years, various people would use the restaurant as a homeless shelter, buying a cup of coffee and getting free refills for hours. Once they came in , your income tanked as their seat became dead, revenueless space.

Perhaps it is not the device itself, but using the device for hours which is what the coffee shops don't want.

3 posted on 02/13/2011 6:15:25 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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It’s called the Starbucks rule. It’s meant to drive business to Starbucks. While the other places wonder why the have no customers and end up going bankrupt and then closing.


4 posted on 02/13/2011 6:16:00 AM PST by ncfool (The new USSA - United Socialst States of AmeriKa. Welcome to Obummers world or Obamaville USSA.)
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I have to assume that this is because someone using an e-reader sits for a long time sipping on a cup of coffee and taking up a table?


5 posted on 02/13/2011 6:16:10 AM PST by Saije
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I can definitely understand banning devices that have a live connection to the Internet such as a laptop...

Why shuold they be banned. If I want to sit over breakfast at a restaurant and read the news via the internet, what is it to you?

This nation is full it seems of a bunch of bored busy bodies that have no better calling in life than to take away other people's liberties because "they don't like it."

7 posted on 02/13/2011 6:16:42 AM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience.)
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Thanks for making me register at the New York Slimes just so I could read the entire article so see what sort of idiocy was afoot in New York Cafes.

As far as I can tell, the policy was aimed at laptop owners who were typing all day, and the clack-clack of the keyboard can be irritating.

But iPads and Kindles are also eBook readers, and reading in a Cafe is almost mandatory. If shop owners don't want squatters, then manage their free internet better, cutting off patrons who don't make a purchase after 60 minutes.

8 posted on 02/13/2011 6:18:57 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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Yeah but you are taking up space while you read for a few hours.


10 posted on 02/13/2011 6:21:36 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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These coffee shops are going to start losing a LOT of business if they ban people from using an e-book reader in the coffee shop.

Borders has people stooging in its cafes and stacks all day. Doesn't seem to have worked all that well as a business model.

17 posted on 02/13/2011 6:36:34 AM PST by mewzilla (Hey, Schumer, your Lockerbie report left quite a bit out.)
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The New York coffee shops miss the old days where patrons in shaggy clothes would congregate to listen to acoustic Bob Dylan and Woody Guthrie songs while discussing Marxist politics and the overthrow of the imperialist, capitalist pigs.


23 posted on 02/13/2011 7:15:07 AM PST by SamAdams76 (I am 27 days from outliving Vince Foster)
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Personally, I'd ban all electronic devices and make people actually talk to each other.
Yeah, I know, human interaction - old fashioned concept.
27 posted on 02/13/2011 7:30:15 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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You ban my Kindle - you ban my wallet!


30 posted on 02/13/2011 7:54:47 AM PST by VRWCtaz (America has Zero to be ashamed of.)
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I don't think the issue is any more complicated than a few arrogant, insensitive a-holes ruining it for everyone. When an iPad snob or a person with a Kindle/Nook sits down and orders a latte then proceeds to nurse it for two hours while taking up valuable retail space, the cafe owners are left with little recourse.

However, were it me, I'd get rude to these slobs and ask them to leave after 1 hour and one coffee. Wanna stay? Keep ordering food and beverages.

Just my take.

31 posted on 02/13/2011 8:40:43 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Tyrants flourish only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.)
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These restaurants and cafes first accommodated PDAs with their free Wi-Fi. Now, it appears that people are squatting in the restaurants, thus limiting the turnover to more paying customers. That might be the problem but it’s the short-sighted hospitality business that invited it.


34 posted on 02/13/2011 9:30:29 AM PST by rabidralph ((Mu)Barak must go!)
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To: RayChuang88; EggsAckley
Our local Starbuxx alternative provides you with a temporary 2-hour internet access code with purchase.

It's still not rocket surgery.

38 posted on 02/13/2011 11:54:44 AM PST by martin_fierro (Hooray PinkiePie!)
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As martin noted, there are places which offer time-limited web access for a modest cost. There are also places like the burger chains which do that, or offer it for free, with cheaper coffee and a full menu. It’s not as if anyone (in, say, France, in an open-air café) never spent the morning reading their entire newspaper while nursing a single cup of coffee. Or in a diner where their single cup of coffee was freshened up by a helpful waitress.

The real thing at work here is that there are alternatives now which didn’t exist before, and it’s become more difficult to sell a $4 cup of coffee and $3 bagel. Throw in gratis web access (which plenty of these java places do) and fairly small numbers of tables, and it’s obvious that, since their floor space hasn’t changed, and their prices have gone up, that their margins have declined due to rising costs, and cutting free web access — which is their prerogative — is the one place they can easily cut their costs. It also helps (they think) with turnover.

What they’re about to find out is, there won’t be any more customers than before, and in fact there will be fewer.


42 posted on 02/18/2011 1:45:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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