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Did Early Humans Ride the Waves to Australia?
Mind & Matter 'blog (WSJ) ^ | Saturday, February 4, 2012 | Matt Ridley

Posted on 02/05/2012 5:09:30 PM PST by SunkenCiv

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To: Fred Nerks
"blam, anything on the Bushmen (San people) DNA?"

Well.

I don't know...I've been a bit negligent the last couple years, or so.

I think these guys (linked below) are causing headaches for the 'out of Africa' crowd. They're in Europe too early and their tools are more advanced than anything in Africa at the time. Some have even suggested that these folks went into Africa and became Modern Man. (Or, they became Modern Man and then went into Africa?)

Stranger In A New Land

These guys were in Europe 1.85 million years ago.

21 posted on 02/05/2012 8:49:56 PM PST by blam
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To: Fred Nerks
"Spencer Wells' 2003 book The Journey of Man — in connection with National Geographic's Genographic Project — discusses a genetic analysis of the San and asserts their blood contains some of the oldest genetic markers found on Earth. The Bushmen's Y-chromosomal DNA haplogroup (type A) is one of the oldest, splitting off around 70,000 years ago from those found in the rest of humanity (type BT). Therefore, the Bushmen likely represent one of the oldest existing populations. Genetic markers present on the y chromosome are passed down through thousands of generations in a relatively pure form. The PBS documentary based on the book follows these markers throughout the world, demonstrating that all of humankind can be traced back to the African continent and that the San are one of the oldest, most genetically unadulterated, remnants of humankind's ancient ancestors. More recent analysis suggests that the San may have been isolated from other original ancestral groups for as much as 100,000 years and then rejoined at a later date, re-integrating the human gene pool."
22 posted on 02/05/2012 8:55:33 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

Surfs UP! Get your boards and surf to a new world.


23 posted on 02/05/2012 8:58:44 PM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: bksanders; SunkenCiv
"Isn't this how all scientifik articles begin? The community amuses me. What is fact today is tomorrows laugh."

In my 68 years of (just) living, I've noticed that it is the dumb, least educated who seem to hold these views.
Does that shoe fit?

24 posted on 02/05/2012 9:05:06 PM PST by blam
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To: blam; Fred Nerks; SunkenCiv; no-to-illegals; All

It shounds as though the San may have been isolated genetically by the sharp worldwide population reducation caused by Toba about 74,000 years ago. As for the Australia trip, didn’t the ocean get as much as 400 feet shallower at some point in there not the 150 feet the article mentioned.

Another item. With the discovery of the Kow Marsh hominids in Australia, which although only 12,000 years old have the appearance of the pre Neanderthal Heidelburgensis, is it possible for us to learn something from their DNA?


25 posted on 02/05/2012 10:45:18 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

The Enigma of Kow Swamp

http://www.thylacoleo.com/archives/kowswamp_01.php


26 posted on 02/05/2012 11:13:09 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: blam
thanks, I've just finished reading 'The Heart of the Hunter' written by Laurens Van Der Post, published in 1963. More than a book, it's an experience.


27 posted on 02/05/2012 11:32:08 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Inyo-Mono

“Even today, there are reports of “hairy wild men” being seen in Australia. So maybe they are still there.”

It’s the beer. Everyone looks hairy after drinking Aussie beer.


28 posted on 02/06/2012 2:34:40 AM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: gleeaikin; Fred Nerks
There's much that we don't know.

In less than ten years, we've discovered two new human lines that were alive less the 15,000 years ago. The 'Hobbits' and the Denisovans.

New Human Species Discovered: Mitochondrial Genome Of Previously Unknown Hominins From Siberia Decoded

New Type Of Ancient Human Found—Descendants Live Today?

This hasn't gone away either. Maybe Toba killed all the Calico people, eh?

Calico: A 200,000-year Old Site In The Americas?

29 posted on 02/06/2012 7:53:03 AM PST by blam
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To: blam; SunkenCiv
…"it is the dumb, least educated who seem to hold these views. Does that shoe fit?"
You talkin' 'bout me?
I'da answered yo post sooner but I'z havin' sex wif my sista.

Dumb:
a: lacking the human power of speech
b: of a person often offensive : lacking the ability to speak.
2. : temporarily unable to speak
" Naw, I kin speak prutty gud!
…"least educated"
Educated:
having an education; especially : having an education beyond the average .
2. a : giving evidence of training or practice…
You don't even want to go there… but no, I am not among the "indoctrinated".
"Does that shoe fit?
I walk upright on two feet, hence shoes would be more appropo… But thanks for caring, and thanks for sharing.
30 posted on 02/06/2012 8:28:21 AM PST by bksanders (Old Gets Older the Older I Get)
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To: bgill
In AFTER the Kon-Tiki reference.

Early humans were more competent seafarers than anyone but Thor Heyerdahl (sp?) seems willing to give them credit for.

For example - during the historic events behind the story “Mutiny on the Bounty” - fearing English revenge the crew of the Bounty sought out an island that was way out in nowhereville with only a vague report that some British sailor thought he saw an island.

When they got there, there were people on it.

Just about every single rock that thrust up from the Ocean capable of supporting human life - has human life on it, most of them for many thousands of years.

What does that tell you about the capabilities of early humanity in regards to navigating the ocean?

31 posted on 02/06/2012 8:49:01 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: ApplegateRanch
;)

My WWII grandma told me this joke.

“Why do the women in the Army prefer to use the latrine for the WAVES?”

“They don't like the WAC’s paper in their own latrine.”

32 posted on 02/06/2012 8:52:39 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream
Just about every single rock that thrust up from the Ocean capable of supporting human life - has human life on it, most of them for many thousands of years.

Exactly.

33 posted on 02/06/2012 8:58:05 AM PST by bgill (The Obama admin is staging a coup. Wake up, America, it's almost too late.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Well, they didn’t fly there on Qantas.


34 posted on 02/06/2012 9:45:19 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I'd give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: allmendream; bgill
Study: Spaniards Didn't Get To South America First

Scientific analysis of old chicken bones found in Chile shows Polynesians reached the continent no later than 1407.

35 posted on 02/06/2012 10:56:08 AM PST by blam
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To: Ramius
Did Ancient Polynesians Visit California?

Key new evidence comes from two directions. The first involves revised carbon-dating of an ancient ceremonial headdress used by Southern California's Chumash Indians. The second involves research by two California scientists who suggest that a Chumash word for "sewn-plank canoe" is derived from a Polynesian word for the wood used to construct the same boat.


36 posted on 02/06/2012 11:03:58 AM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

Anthropology has become so poisoned by political correctness and hatred of men that it has become unreliable and is heading towards the utility of alchemy. When the UMass department of anthropology renamed itself the department of feminist anthropology I stopped contributing to my alma matter except for donations limited to ROTC. UMass further shamed itself by creating a department of “social justice,” which even awards a doctorate in anti-male and anti-white hatred.


37 posted on 02/06/2012 12:49:38 PM PST by pabianice (")
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To: Fred Nerks; blam; SunkenCiv; no-to-illegals; All

Here is another interesting link, really ancient. A lot of very unscientific comments. SC - Maybe you would like to post even though it is Huff. Doesn’t seem very political.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/06/first-animal-fossils_n_1256871.html?ref=science&ncid=webmail23


38 posted on 02/07/2012 2:41:59 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

Hey, thanks glee’, that’s sufficiently interesting that I will be reading the rest of it. :’) That one’s just crying out for another source, and I’ve got links for that. ;’)


39 posted on 02/07/2012 5:27:32 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: SunkenCiv; no-to-illegals; All

Here is another link. I don’t know if it is serious enough to be classified as Catastrophism.

http://news.yahoo.com/thousands-remain-cut-off-deep-freeze-bosnia-153952911.html


40 posted on 02/08/2012 5:00:43 PM PST by gleeaikin
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