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Did an English expedition BEAT Columbus to the Americas? Record of bank loan to sailor who found North America in 1497 hints that others may have been there first

1 posted on 05/07/2012 11:58:16 AM PDT by Theoria
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To: SunkenCiv

New world, sail, ping.


2 posted on 05/07/2012 11:59:52 AM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: Theoria

Vikings and Native Americans were first. Columbus was first recognized by the main stream media of the time. Ever heard of Erick the Red? Where did all the Viking settlements come form?


3 posted on 05/07/2012 12:06:19 PM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: Theoria
The Spaniards beat them by oh ~10000 years or so... When the Spainiards came to the America's in 1490's they were just rejoining their long lost cousins :) This group makes a sound argument using carbon dating, and stratigraphy both well respected dating techniques in the Geoscience's.

Humans have been able to follow coastlines in small boats for 40,000+ years and open ocean waters for at least 30,000 years this is well proven in not only the orient but also the Pacific indigenous groups. Europeans at the time were as technologically advanced or more so during the last ice age. The Pre-Clovis points are a dead match for what the Northern Spaniards were making and stone technology is passed from human to human each culture had unique points and tools that was passed on the the next generation.

Across Atlantic Ice: The Origin of America’s Clovis Culture

"Across Atlantic Ice: The Origin of America’s Clovis Culture. The book puts forward a compelling case for people from northern Spain traveling to America by boat, following the edge of a sea ice shelf that connected Europe and America during the last Ice Age, 14,000 to 25,000 years ago."

4 posted on 05/07/2012 12:14:48 PM PDT by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici")
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To: Theoria

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_I_Sinclair,_Earl_of_Orkney

Time to brush the dust off the supposed voyage of Henry Sinclair and to look again at the medieval port of Bristol.


11 posted on 05/07/2012 12:56:58 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Theoria

Columbus’ explorations can be counted as the beginning of regular trade, empire expansion and settlement of the Americas by Europeans. Not “discovery”. And as a navigator, he was lame. His belief that the world was round, was not controversial - it was the size he calculated the globe to be. According to his calculations, India should have been near Florida.


12 posted on 05/07/2012 1:02:09 PM PDT by PFC
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To: Theoria

Columbus’ explorations can be counted as the beginning of regular trade, empire expansion and settlement of the Americas by Europeans. Not “discovery”. And as a navigator, he was lame. His belief that the world was round, was not controversial - it was the size he calculated the globe to be. According to his calculations, India should have been near Florida.


13 posted on 05/07/2012 1:02:20 PM PDT by PFC
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To: Theoria
“a trovare il nuovo paese” (to find the new land)

... as in "find the fountain of youth", "find Ecalibur" or "find the missing link". This is inductive reasoning, not knowledge. The banker's notation implies nothing. Even if they did know about the new land, why would they set out to "trovare" it? This appears to be stretching a point in a search for more grant money.

15 posted on 05/07/2012 1:41:01 PM PDT by Praxeologue
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To: Theoria
Ya gotta go where the work is . . .


16 posted on 05/07/2012 1:48:12 PM PDT by tomkat ( FU.baraq <font finger=middle>)
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To: Theoria
Odd coincidence--a little-known sailor from the 1400s named Weston supposedly played a key role, and the research now is being funded by a family that has money because of "the Weston retail dynasty."

There were various medieval legends about explorations (such as by St. Brendan). Even if those didn't happen, people in the 1400s might have thought they were real and acted accordingly.

A couple of Genoese explorers sailed west in 1291 and were never heard from again--did they make it across the Atlantic and get eaten by Caribs? Did they founder somewhere mid-ocean? No one knows what happened to them.

17 posted on 05/07/2012 4:03:53 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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