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Doctor Shortage Likely to Worsen With Health Law
New York Times ^ | July 28' 2012 | Robert Pear,Annie Lowrey

Posted on 07/29/2012 4:54:59 AM PDT by MrPiper

RIVERSIDE, Calif. — In the Inland Empire, an economically depressed region in Southern California, President Obama’s health care law is expected to extend insurance coverage to more than 300,000 people by 2014. But coverage will not necessarily translate into care: Local health experts doubt there will be enough doctors to meet the area’s needs. There are not enough now.

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No problem, Affrmitive Action at Med Schools by executive order, not enough black doctors out there!

Like this recent EO:

WHITE HOUSE INITIATIVE ON EDUCATIONAL EXCELLENCE FOR AFRICAN AMERICANS

1 posted on 07/29/2012 4:55:10 AM PDT by MrPiper
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More like a Work-fare program to fix that problem. Gee, I would feel a whole lot better getting medical care from someone making minimum wage!


2 posted on 07/29/2012 4:58:39 AM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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That “likely” is a certitude. Doctors are already making plans to retire. Other doctors are exploring setting up practices offshore, as English doctors and the Canadian doctors have done when their countries converted medicine to a low paid trade. The doctor shortage in numbers is one thing. The dearth of smart dedicated people going to med school is another. Smart people will who would have gone into medicine will choose other areas. Medicine will no longer attract the people who are smart enough to be successful doctors. The shortage of brainpower will exceed the shortage in manpower.


3 posted on 07/29/2012 5:01:13 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: MrPiper

What person in their right mind would spend 10 years of post grad study and tens of thousands of dollars for a profession where the gubermint tells you how, when and what??


4 posted on 07/29/2012 5:03:37 AM PDT by evad (It's a tax, it's a tax, it's a tax, It's a tax, it's a tax, it's a tax)
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So 2020 rolls around. You have a pain. You call down to your local doctor...Dr Twang, who has a visa and is from Hong Kong...but he’s too busy. So you call up the alternate guy on this side of town...Dr Woomba-Woomba, who has a visa and is from Nigeria. He would see you...but in four days. So you finally call that Dr Zhivago guy that you’ve heard about...who doesn’t have a visa but married some Honduran-turned-American gal, and he’s from Russia but only knows forty-four words in English. Dr Zhivago sees you and prescribes some great pain-killers, which you take in abundance....over several months.

One day, you finally wake up in Barstow, California but you don’t know where you are or how you got there. A local drifter tells you that you’ve been out in Barstow for a month...mostly doing pain-killers day by day, and you apparently married some Lebanese gal in Vegas while in this drug episode.

You go back home and wonder how 2700 pages of text created this mess. Then you wonder how this all started.


5 posted on 07/29/2012 5:04:38 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: MrPiper

The medical schools themselves started this problem of not enough doctors. They restricted admission to only the very top students for yrs, making everyone else have to go outside the U.S. to go to school, or to seek another profession. I can remember this from back in the ‘70’s.


6 posted on 07/29/2012 5:08:08 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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That’s the plan, man. With thousands of doctors planning to leave their practices, many of the elderly, who view Medicare-paid doctor visits as their only source of attention and entertainment, will not be able to find a doctor. They will die of boredom, thus taking the strain of those final expensive months of life off ObamaCare.


7 posted on 07/29/2012 5:08:16 AM PDT by txrefugee
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Now that they're making the resources scarce, they'll have to allocate them.


8 posted on 07/29/2012 5:15:33 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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Just found this:

North Carolina's own probe discovered 54 courses within the Department of African and Afro-American Studies that showed little to no evidence of teaching students, and dozens of independent study classes without academic rigor. Most of the students in the classes were athletes, including some classes with only football or basketball players.

Here:

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/07/north_carolinas_under-the-rada.html#incart_river_default

9 posted on 07/29/2012 5:20:33 AM PDT by MrPiper
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Yeah, MORE imported foreign doctors who speak bad English is more like it.

We are already being turned away from some doctors, as we are Medicare/Tricare Life (retired Military over 65), and we are down to seeing the PCP's PA instead of the doctor, yet they charge the same rates.

And before some one gripes about it, Medicare is a TAX we were forced to pre pay, and now make monthly premiums on. And 20 years of sub par pay and long deployments in the Navy earned the second one. And both are RATIONED HEALTH CARE.

Unlike congress and the prez and vp we do not have platinum healthcare for life along with platinum retirement.

My foot doc is black, retired Navy, and great care is given his patients.

10 posted on 07/29/2012 5:20:42 AM PDT by GailA (IF U will not keep your promises to the Military, U won't keep them to the public)
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Other doctors are exploring setting up practices offshore,...

Off shore is getting to be the only safe haven for EVERY business these days.

Not to worry, government will fix this mess created by eviiiil free business entrepreneurs./s

11 posted on 07/29/2012 5:53:59 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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One day, you finally wake up in Barstow, California but you don’t know where you are or how you got there.

....and missing a kidney.

12 posted on 07/29/2012 5:54:24 AM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: evad

Recently went to one of my Dr.s.
Blood test, urine test. Consultation.

His bill to Medicare, $92.
Medicare paid him $19.

How many Medicare patients can he treat and stay in business?


13 posted on 07/29/2012 5:54:47 AM PDT by Vinnie (A)
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What person in their right mind would spend 10 years of post grad study and tens of thousands of dollars for a profession where the gubermint tells you how, when and what??

As I have previously posted, my grand nephew, age 23, whom I consider to be extremely smart, somehow saw this coming and he decided to not do what his grandmother (my sister) wanted him to do: become a medical doctor. Instead, he went into engineering and is now working on his Phd in materials engineering, all expenses paid by this major university. That's how highly they think of him.

Lesson: Other very smart people are doing the same thing, dropping plans to be MDs because they don't want to work for the government.

14 posted on 07/29/2012 6:04:49 AM PDT by OldPossum
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“The medical schools themselves started this problem of not enough doctors. They restricted admission to only the very top students for yrs, making everyone else have to go outside the U.S. to go to school, or to seek another profession.”

There are a lot of docs out there already who I wouldn’t send patients to. If you lower admission standards it will only get worse. That’s not to say that everyone who gets in now is ‘the best’, and that outstanding people aren’t passed over, but you have to set the bar somewhere - especially when dealing with the lives of patients.


15 posted on 07/29/2012 6:07:48 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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“His bill to Medicare, $92.
Medicare paid him $19.
How many Medicare patients can he treat and stay in business?”

This is a huge problem, that is only getting worse. In the meantime, the number of ‘administrators’ in hospital and government who draw big salaries from their ‘health care’ jobs is increasing, and malpractice insurance fees are not going down.


16 posted on 07/29/2012 6:15:18 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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“There are a lot of docs out there already who I wouldn’t send patients to.”

And that’s with the admission restrictions.
My point is that the medical schools take no responsibility for their part in the Dr shortage. Many yrs ago, the schools felt like they were graduationg too many MD’s, causing a glut which was cutting into the $$ that Dr’s could make. So they made it really difficult to qualify for med school. That made students go to inferior med schools outside the country, or made kids not want to pursue the field at all.


17 posted on 07/29/2012 6:45:00 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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18 posted on 07/29/2012 6:59:49 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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His bill to Medicare, $92. Medicare paid him $19. How many Medicare patients can he treat and stay in business?

Precisely

Mrs. Evad worked as a billing clerk for a group of doctors. She says they have already cut the docs to the bone.

A lot of docs have cut out the medicare/medicade and gone to patient pays. Cuts all the red tape and they charge less and make more.

19 posted on 07/29/2012 7:39:12 AM PDT by evad (It's a tax, it's a tax, it's a tax, It's a tax, it's a tax, it's a tax)
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Smart youngster. Best to him.


20 posted on 07/29/2012 7:43:00 AM PDT by evad (It's a tax, it's a tax, it's a tax, It's a tax, it's a tax, it's a tax)
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