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To: null and void

I think you make a really odd assumption that Muslims (or at least Muslims outside India) look back to the glory days of the First Indian War of Independence. I have never see anything even vaguely resembling evidence this is the case.

Even Pakistanis don’t identify with it that much, because the affected areas were entirely, I believe, inside what is now India. The revolt was also most emphatically not a “Muslim revolt.” Both Muslims and Hindus participated. To the extent there was an ideology behind the Mutiny, it was an inchoate desire to return to a better past.

I have seen a lot more glorification of the Mutiny by Hindus than Muslims. Many Hindus see it as a precursor to the independence struggle. Muslims, not so much, quite probably because it wasn’t specifically Muslim in motivation.

There are examples of much more effective mass murder of intruders, notably the Sicilian Vespers and the Asiatic Vespers of Mithridates the Great.

Hue was a massacre by a conquering army of its opponents and anybody else they took a dislike to, for which unfortunately the historical precedents are far too many to cite.

It was also relatively small beer on a historical scale, with somewhere between 3000 and 6000 probably murdered. Out of roughly 1M people, that isn’t a world-historical murder rate.


39 posted on 07/01/2013 7:55:25 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Iran doesn’t identify with the US, North Korea doesn’t identify with the US.

They both want to emulate the US as a nuclear power though.

Why is that do you suppose?

The US and the USSR didn’t identify with Nazi Germany, yet they both were quite happy to round up every German rocket scientist they could find, despite the fact that the V-2 didn’t win the war for Hitler.

Why was that do you suppose?


40 posted on 07/01/2013 8:11:04 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Sherman Logan; null and void; ken5050; Little Ray
Sherman is 100% accurate when he states that Even Pakistanis don’t identify with it that much, because the affected areas were entirely, I believe, inside what is now India. The revolt was also most emphatically not a “Muslim revolt.” Both Muslims and Hindus participated. ....I have seen a lot more glorification of the Mutiny by Hindus than Muslims. Many Hindus see it as a precursor to the independence struggle. Muslims, not so much, quite probably because it wasn’t specifically Muslim in motivation.
44 posted on 07/01/2013 8:53:09 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Sherman Logan; null and void; ken5050; Little Ray
Iran doesn’t identify with the US, North Korea doesn’t identify with the US. They both want to emulate the US as a nuclear power though.

Iran's antagonism to the US is incidental, but they see their enemies closer to hand and it's not Israel (Israel is a nice bugbear to toss out). Iran see's itself as the natural successor to the great Achaemenid and Sassanid empires and that the cursed Arabs should bow to them and the Turkic peoples should be chased out of greater Iran (Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan) as they killed off millions of Iranis in the middle ages to take those lands

North Korea is basically insane posturing...

46 posted on 07/01/2013 8:55:45 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Sherman Logan; null and void; ken5050; Little Ray
null-- Sherman correctly said The author is claiming that Muslims, as a group, dream of reinacting the Sepoy Mutiny in the West. Absolutely zero proof is provided for this. -- he is correct. And he is not any kind of pollyanna when it comes to Islam

the Indian Mutiny was not specifically Islamic, but was limited to what is now Uttar Pradesh and Delhi areas of the gangetic basin.

the richest and most powerful Moslem ruler of India -- the Nizam of hyderabad paid no attention to them and he supported the British

48 posted on 07/01/2013 8:58:35 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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