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The one comment so far says "We need to plan cities for people, not vehicles." We really have to do something about those vicious vehicles that somehow manage to drive themselves without a person in them. Of course, since a bicycle legally counts as a vehicle in this state, we can agree on at least that point: we need to plan cities for people, not bicycles.

As for me, I do my part in helping reduce traffic in "new urbanist" areas by avoiding doing business in them.

1 posted on 11/01/2012 9:33:04 AM PDT by Lonely Bull
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To: Lonely Bull

Used to work in downtown PA back in the 80’s (ex-DEC).

Nice for walking around but hell getting there from
outside the city.

Is Double Rainbow still open?


2 posted on 11/01/2012 9:36:45 AM PDT by RitchieAprile (look out for the Bull!)
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To: Lonely Bull

Exactly - less parking means less convenient, less convenient means less desirable, less desirable means fewer shoppers, fewer shoppers means less business, less business means fewer businesses, fewer businesses means fewer cars - problem solved!


3 posted on 11/01/2012 9:41:41 AM PDT by GilesB
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To: Lonely Bull
"And to solve it, urban planners have tilted toward the less-is-better "new urbanism" philosophy, claiming that if cities provide less parking, the public will find other ways to go shopping,..."

All this does is cause the public to find other PLACES to go shopping! There's a downtown shopping mall in Chattanooga that sits half empty all the time and appears to be on the verge of bankruptcy constantly. The reason - nobody wants to pay $8 to park near there when they can park at Sears, Target, Kohl's, WalMart, or any other suburban store for FREE! And, despite the crowds at these suburban stores, there's always plenty of parking space!

5 posted on 11/01/2012 10:06:28 AM PDT by meyer (Proud member of the 53%.)
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To: Lonely Bull

The only Palo Altans that are likely to use public transit are from EAST Palo Alto. The other Palo Altans won’t be sharing a bus with those types.

Palo Alto is a pretty dense city, and a bicycle is actually a good way to get around, especially in the residential areas. They have 4-way stops at practically every intersection, so driving a car is just frustrating.

If residents want less congestion, why do they insist on living in the most built-up city in the whole Bay Area?


6 posted on 11/01/2012 10:09:31 AM PDT by Disambiguator (Re-electing Obama is not optimal.)
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To: Lonely Bull

Free Parking is what made America great.


7 posted on 11/01/2012 10:12:01 AM PDT by Paladin2
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Social engineering by rationing, it worked so well in the old east bloc we just have to try it here too. /sarc

8 posted on 11/01/2012 10:17:38 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Lonely Bull

I worked in Palo Alto at Page Mill & El Camino till today ;-) Literally the last day of work. My commute will now be cut in half starting next Monday!

Anyway - traffic in PA sucks. Last week I came out of the parking lot to turn onto El Camino to head North on Oregon Express Way - you couldn’t get there from here! Accident or some such had it closed off. It took me 45 minutes to find away across the Cal Train tracks! Essentially grid locked.

You are NOT going to get rid of cars here - that is just wishful - stupid, thinking.

The place has some really nice houses -and they cost millions of dollars! So I won’t be living here ever either. Besides - Stanford is over-rated! (Says the Cal State graduate ;-)


9 posted on 11/01/2012 11:04:05 AM PDT by fremont_steve
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