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To: danielmryan

right and fdr and chuirchill knew about the attack and let it happen. and the tooth fairy is real.
the japanese got their butts kicked at nomonhan in ‘39 and they were overextended in china even to the end of the war. the lsoses in manchuria gave the navy an up in the government and they had a southern strategy. plus, with the passing of the 2 ocean navy bill, the japanese knew they had 2 years until they were completely out matched. so they rolled the dice.


13 posted on 12/07/2012 8:28:56 PM PST by bravo whiskey
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To: bravo whiskey

Not to burst the bubble of supposedly “correct” history but:

My father was a commander in the carrier group(the Enterprise, with support cruisers Chester, Northampton,Salt Lake City and nine destroyers and undisclosed submarine pickets-one my dad’s). Subs left Oct. 31 for Midway and back. 6 hours out of Pearl when message came in— “this is no drill”.

War patrol orders were issued at sea— and they were live war loads, and “Weapons Free” ordered against ANY hostile or other Japanese vessels. We had NOT declared war, and the attack had not happened.

My father to his dying day said “The Brits knew where the Jap fleet was. They delayed telling us, and when we finally knew, our people, knowing what was wanted from the “executive” sat on it” “There was no excuse for the
“surprise”— all indications and battle readiness was (what he called) “soft soaped” and the surprise was intentional. FDR knew and so did Marshall and Nimitz. Anyone with a brain and security clearance could see it coming and then could not talk about it out of fear. A real sweet set up that got our people killed needlessly.”

A considerable amount of recent scholarly work backs this up by the way. Not that it will change anyone’s sacred cow memory of the “leadership”. It won’t. Thoroughly reviewed in Proceedings— US Naval Institute publication.

He also said the RAPID condemnation of Kimmel and Short (who directly followed orders from command authority) was a complete political cover for FDR to deflect blame. He had total disgust with the “gimp in chief with the wandering weiner, a stiff cigarette holder... and an overbearing sense of himself”.

Through his whole career and private sector, Dad always valued the abilities and worth of individual sailors and workers, and their dignity. Something he always felt demonrats NEVER did— the politicians anyway,and yankee union democrats specifically- who were always a problem to him and in quality control for our military needs. Sort of like today, really.


15 posted on 12/08/2012 11:53:35 AM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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