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To: BenLurkin
President Eisenhower’s alleged meeting with extraterrestrials, where agreements were reached with some of the visitors giving them permission to take some of the Earth’s resources in exchange for advanced technology

Makes no real sense.

1. A people advanced enough to travel from (presumably) another star system would also presumably be able to synthesize any resources they need or obtain them from asteroids, etc.

2. Any such people would be advanced enough that our weapons systems would pose little threat to them. Therefore they would have no need to make agreements with us, anymore than we make treaties with cockroaches.. It's far more likely they would just ignore us and go about their business.

41 posted on 01/04/2013 12:57:05 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

“They” make no sense to me. If one does start with the premise “They” exist, one has to conclude they go to great efforts to avoide detection of their activities which would indicate they care what we perceive. The “Prime Directive” concept never made sense to me.

If we are of no value to them, we would experience them doing whatever they came here to do. Roaches run for cover when the light is turned on.

If we have value to them, they would assist us. I cannot conceive of caring for a group withour caring about individuals in the group.


44 posted on 01/04/2013 2:40:12 AM PST by Gadsden1st
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To: Sherman Logan
It's far more likely they would just ignore us and go about their business

Yep. That's my take on it as well. You're aware of the ants in your driveway, but you don't waste time trying to talk with them.

Between that, and the general vastness of space, I'd guess that we won't be meeting up with ET anytime soon.

53 posted on 01/04/2013 6:20:36 AM PST by wbill
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To: Sherman Logan

The assumptions are:
They don’t need minerals, ores or metal, they need human DNA.
They want it covertly.
They don’t want to get shot down in the process, so best to throw a bone to the military minds and give them a few toys they will likely not master and move on with their program.

The folklore is interesting and there are a few credible stories out there amongst all the kooks. A few.


56 posted on 01/04/2013 7:36:53 AM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Sherman Logan
Therefore they would have no need to make agreements with us, anymore than we make treaties with cockroaches.. It's far more likely they would just ignore us and go about their business.

LOL - sometimes cockroaches have to be exterminated... decisions - decisions....

67 posted on 01/04/2013 9:56:17 AM PST by GOPJ (It's not possible to be a Progressive and not be a hypocrite. Freeper TigersEye.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Therefore they would have no need to make agreements with us, anymore than we make treaties with cockroaches.. It's far more likely they would just ignore us and go about their business.

Perhaps the arrangement is more like the one we have with dogs, horses, sheep, chickens and cattle.

87 posted on 01/04/2013 10:21:49 AM PST by null and void (The world is full of Maple Streets.)
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To: Sherman Logan

On point number 1: There is still nothing like a planet with stable star to base operations on. The beings in question may need certain intrinsic things found only on this planet. Depending on modes of acceleration, the ability to stop and start just to get stuff you need from asteroids may be severely limited. There may be spiritual or multidimensional aspects to these beings that they need bipedal “husks” of sufficient cranial capacity to “inhabit” so that they can interact with a matter universe...hence their interest in humans. (Ie: read the story of Christ’s interaction with the multidemoniac entity that called itself “Legion”).

2.On point #2: Certain limits placed on these entities from outside the earth...say galactic civilizations and certain prime directives may force them to make agreements. Intelligence might not be as advanced in some these beings as was supposed as humans seem to be able to grasp many of the advanced technological concepts as they are introduced to them. Only the age of these civilizations and tech advancement of these beings gives them the edge over humans. Humans use barely the full potential of their minds so we hardly know what we are fully capable of...still there still seem to be limits placed on us at this stage of our development.

Even the OT speaks of God making a “covenant” with His people. Much of our mythic literature speaks of agreement being made between Gods and Men. Free will seems to be the key here, hence all the warnings in the Bible as well as mythic texts warning us to take care regarding the choices we as men should make.(refer back to my response to point number 1).

From a biblical perspective, in the 20th century America was the greatest base for Christian outreach the World had ever seen, yet it has now become one of the greatest sources of moral depravity in the 21st century. Satan and his fallen minions might have tried to establish direct inroads with our military and government to undermine America’s spiritual influence for good by promising certain amoral politicians certain favors in exchange for policies and directives that would set America on a path of decay there-bye destroying its spiritual favor with God. Demonic influences would also be at work in our schools and media, reinforcing a Marxist progressive dogma that would replace the power of our Judeo Christian heritage.


297 posted on 01/08/2013 5:29:52 AM PST by mdmathis6 ("Barry" Xmas to all and have a rapaciously taxable New Year!)
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