I think Dave is referring to two different types of trusts. Family trusts for most situations and estate planning trusts where there are assets of $5 million or more. Generally a revocable trust would be used for family trust situations, and an irrevocable trust (which would hold title to some or many of the assets) would be used for estate planning.
On side note hope this is not a Victoria Secret “Bright Young Things” gig where try to sell sleazy lingerie to
young teens
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