Posted on 01/31/2014 5:44:59 PM PST by Kevmo
“My guess is that we are on the verge of such a development. If so, Pons and Fleischman will be rehabilitated and credited as scientific pioneers, with Rossi seen as having an Edisonian touch in contriving a practical device based on their work. “
They were funded with millions of $$ over several years and produced NOTHING!
“This triggered massive media interest and an energetic and successful effort by other scientists to discredit so-called “cold fusion” as being so contrary to scientific theory as to be impossible and of the realm of pseudoscience.”
You misrepresent what actually happened. I was there at the time and talked to university scientists involved in the evaluation of their work.
“Yet, working in obscurity, there are researchers who have replicated and extended the Pons and Fleischman results. “
LOL!
Notably, the credibility of Rossi's original work benefitted from the support of the respected physicist Sergio Focardi, and his device has already had limited testing and verification by Swedish physicists.
Will Rossi or someone else eventually deliver a practical ECAT type device? Reasoned skepticism, "not yet," and "maybe" are better answers than "Never!" and "Impossible!" With definitive independent third party testing now underway, funded by a US venture capital fund, that seems to be where the smart money is.
Then offer your account. I am genuinely interested in hearing it.
“With definitive independent third party testing now underway, funded by a US venture capital fund, that seems to be where the smart money is. “
Are you referring to that ‘crowd-funding’ scam?
“Here is a pending patent application: “
Yea. Like that is going anywhere.
http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s2107.html
2107 Guidelines for Examination of Applications for Compliance with the Utility Requirement [R-11.2013]
II. WHOLLY INOPERATIVE INVENTIONS; “INCREDIBLE” UTILITY
.....
Examples of such cases include: an invention asserted to change the taste of food using a magnetic field (Fregeauv.Mossinghoff, 776 F.2d 1034, 227 USPQ 848 (Fed. Cir. 1985)), a perpetual motion machine (Newmanv.Quigg, 877 F.2d 1575, 11 USPQ2d 1340 (Fed. Cir. 1989)), a flying machine operating on “flapping or flutter function” (In re Houghton, 433 F.2d 820, 167 USPQ 687 (CCPA 1970)), a “cold fusion” process for producing energy (In re Swartz, 232 F.3d 862, 56 USPQ2d 1703 (Fed. Cir. 2000)), a method for increasing the energy output of fossil fuels upon combustion through exposure to a magnetic field (In re Ruskin, 354 F.2d 395, 148 USPQ 221 (CCPA 1966)), uncharacterized compositions for curing a wide array of cancers (In re Citron, 325 F.2d 248, 139 USPQ 516 (CCPA 1963)), and a method of controlling the aging process (In re Eltgroth, 419 F.2d 918, 164 USPQ 221 (CCPA 1970)). These examples are fact specific and should not be applied as a per se rule.
“Then offer your account. I am genuinely interested in hearing it.”
The Nuclear Engineering Department at my University assigned a full professor and provided funds for him to review. There was no bias against the work and all were very interested in the concept. No university wanted to be left behind if this was real.
“Notably, the credibility of Rossi’s original work benefitted from the support of the respected physicist Sergio Focardi”
Focardi stated that he had no idea how it worked since Rossi would not tell him what was inside the device.
” With definitive independent third party testing now underway, funded by a US venture capital fund, that seems to be where the smart money is. “
The only place you can link for this are Kevmo’s postings and Jennifer’s blog.
No, I am referring to independent, third party testing funded by Cherokee Investment Partners, a North Carolina venture capital outfit.
“No, I am referring to independent, third party testing funded by Cherokee Investment Partners, a North Carolina venture capital outfit.”
Me too. Please give me a link that is NOT a Kevmo post or made up by Jennifer.
My point was that the patent application indicates that there has been continuing work on “cold fusion” devices beyond what Pons and Fleischman did. Ultimately, facts matter, and as the USPTO notice that you rely on states, “These examples are fact specific and should not be applied as a per se rule.” If excess energy is shown to be produced through an unconventional nuclear process, then a working LENR device should be patentable.
Do you dispute that Cherokee Partners is an investor and that another round of testing is underway?
My point is if you read the documentation his patent fails to be enabled:
“In order to be enabling, a patent specification must teach those skilled in the art how to make and use the full scope of the claimed invention without undue experimentation.”
“Do you dispute that Cherokee Partners is an investor and that another round of testing is underway?”
I state that NOONE has been able to verify that from any source other than KEVMO (banned FREEPER) or Jennifer (NO LAST NAME) blogger. Until I see it verified, I have top assume it does not exist.
What was their experimental setup and did they report the results?
“I doubt that Rossi even knows how his device works “
He admits that.
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