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JRR Tolkien advised by WH Auden to drop romance
Guardian UK ^ | 02.11.14

Posted on 02/16/2014 6:26:21 PM PST by Perdogg

WH Auden attempted to persuade JRR Tolkien to drop the romance between Aragorn and Arwen from the storyline of The Lord of the Rings, describing it as "unnecessary and perfunctory", an unpublished letter by the author has revealed.

The 1955 letter sees Tolkien writing to his publisher about the difficulties of completing The Return of the King, the third and final part of his magnum opus, in which Aragorn and his men face a final battle with Sauron's troops, as the hobbits Frodo and Sam continue on their journey to destroy the One Ring. At the end, Aragorn is crowned king of Gondor, and marries Arwen, the daughter of Elrond, "Evenstar of her people".

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TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; The Hobbit Hole
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; jrrtolkien; lordoftherings; lotr
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To: JSDude1

You got the Tolkien Reader, right?


21 posted on 02/16/2014 6:53:27 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: discostu
Aragorn and Arwen met when Aragorn was quite young. By the time of the War of the Ring, Aragorn in about 80 years old. They have loved each other for a very long time (at least from a human standpoint).

Aragorn is on a seemingly hopeless quest -- to defeat Sauron, and restore the kingship of both the southern kingdom of Gondor, and the northern kingdom of Arnor. If he achieves these amazing feats, he will be allowed to wed Arwen. He takes on the hopeless task because of his great love for her.

This is an echo of the story of Beren and Luthien (who are ancestors of both Aragorn and Arwen). Beren is a man, Luthien is an elf. They can marry only if Beren can take a great jewel (a silmaril) from the crown of Morgoth and brings it to Luthien's father (Thingol). This is a hopeless task. But Beren never hesitates -- because of his great love for Luthien.

Tolkien was very big on the idea that men can do impossible things because of the love they feel for a woman.

22 posted on 02/16/2014 6:53:53 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Perdogg

Racist movie :/


23 posted on 02/16/2014 6:54:19 PM PST by Usagi_yo (Standardization is an Evolutionary dead end.)
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To: JSDude1; DManA; Perdogg

Elven women ARE hot.


24 posted on 02/16/2014 6:56:34 PM PST by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: Olog-hai

Yes I have. Very Little on Middle Earth in that though..


25 posted on 02/16/2014 6:57:20 PM PST by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: JSDude1

“Oh yeah, well I have completed the LOTR, Hobbit, Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, and 11/12 History of Middle Earth volumes as well as few other obscure JRRT Middle Earth literature.

BEAT THAT (Of course I only mean this in a friendly, and not antagonistic way, my friends ;))!”

The question is: how many times have you read each one? :^)


26 posted on 02/16/2014 7:01:09 PM PST by LaRueLaDue
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To: Perdogg

When I was a kid I found the Hobbit & Lord of the Rings in one big volume. I read it all, of course.


27 posted on 02/16/2014 7:02:38 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Perdogg
At the end, Aragorn is crowned king of Gondor, and marries Arwen, the daughter of Elrond, "Evenstar of her people".

Damn... spoilers...

;)

28 posted on 02/16/2014 7:03:10 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: DManA

All of these races descended from human I think


29 posted on 02/16/2014 7:04:00 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: ProudFossil

Dumbwit publishers.


30 posted on 02/16/2014 7:04:01 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Perdogg

but did you read it in the original Klingon??

//kidding


31 posted on 02/16/2014 7:04:30 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: JSDude1

So, did you like reading them all? Which was your favorite?


32 posted on 02/16/2014 7:07:10 PM PST by dragonblustar (Psalm 37:7)
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To: Redcitizen

Ya, we could of turned 9 hours or so of movie into about 5 mins heh.


33 posted on 02/16/2014 7:10:16 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: ClearCase_guy

Not to mention how Baren gets the Silmaril. He and sneak into Morgoth’s fortress, and Lúthien puts at sleeping spell on Morgoth. Beren prys the jewel from Morgoth’s crown and they flee. A giant wolf, Carcharoth, was guarding the gate. He attacked and bit the off Beren’s hand, with the silmaril inside. The wolf went crazy and ran off. Beren went back to Doriath and reported that the silmaril was in his hand inside the wolf. It was tracked down and killed by an Elven warrior, who gave Beren the honor of cutting it out.


34 posted on 02/16/2014 7:23:25 PM PST by christx30 (Freedom above all.)
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To: discostu

My wife and I have been together 21 1/2 years. We hardly talk. Maybe that’s why......


35 posted on 02/16/2014 7:31:16 PM PST by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: Redcitizen

Air power was vastly under-appreciated in Middle Earth.


36 posted on 02/16/2014 7:35:08 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Perdogg

The course of TRUE LOVE is never easy!


37 posted on 02/16/2014 7:50:34 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: Rebelbase

Auden wasn’t into chicks of any persuasion IIRC


38 posted on 02/16/2014 7:52:30 PM PST by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Perdogg

My daughter read the books in the first grade. She also read the appendices. She thought Arwen & Aragorn made no sense:

“What would someone who was over 2500 years old see in a 50 year old human?”

Hmmmm...just how serious would someone born in 700 BC feel about a human being born in 1960? What would they talk about? Auden, and my daughter, were right!


39 posted on 02/16/2014 7:58:21 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Redcitizen
High-profile/high-power invasion and assault would have been anticipated and well prepared for. This was a very smart wizard who had thousands of years to prepare against any assault. Any strong enough to carry out such an aerial invasion would have been sorely tempted by the ring itself in its own self-preservation (even Frodo succumbed, with Gollum's interference finally destroying it). The long flight in would have been noticed and intercepted.

It was the very fact Frodo & Sam were such small, humble, harmless, incapable figures that allowed them be overlooked while Sauron was distracted by the frontal assault by a formidable army.

40 posted on 02/16/2014 8:09:02 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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