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As others mark World War One centenary, Germans prefer to forget
Reuters ^ | march 19, 2014 | Erik Kirschbaum

Posted on 03/20/2014 6:18:09 AM PDT by C19fan

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To: wideawake
The East Germans didn't have a picnic either.

And yet their soldiers wore the jackboots and marched the goose-step.

41 posted on 03/20/2014 8:34:32 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: dfwgator
So if you did make them "pay", what do you think that would accomplish?

I didn't say I wanted to do anything to them. I just said the bastards got off easy for everything they did to the rest of the world for over seventy years.

They still haven't come clean about Raoul Wallenberg or KAL 007 so far as I know. A "we're sorry" would be nice.

42 posted on 03/20/2014 8:38:50 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: C19fan

There is an excellent new book on the causes of WWI - “The Sleepwalkers” by Christopher Clark. Supposed to be the definitive account on the origins of the war.

Gave it to my uncle for Christmas. Can’t wait to read it.


43 posted on 03/20/2014 8:45:13 AM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: C19fan

It’s important to note that the course of the war had several important variables, which made all the difference in the world.

1. It was the last war of the monarchs. Under the brilliant leadership of Otto Von Bismarck, Germany had unified, and whereas before it was sneered at by Europe as a group of agrarian peasants, it had come together as a power in Europe.

This was not appreciated by the other powers, especially France, lead by the egotistical buffoon Napoleon III, who had been elected president, then arranged a coup so he would be declared Emperor. After foolishly challenging President Grant (and his Union Army) in Mexico, he decided to show the Germans who was boss.

With a little trickery, he was snookered into declaring war and invading Germany with an unprepared army, who met him with a prepared army and quickly deposed him. But then, against the advice of Bismarck, the German Emperor Wilhelm II was persuaded to take a piece of France as punishment, which enraged the French against the Germans.

2) Before the war, half of Europe was making treaties with each other; as was the other half, setting up two competing mutual defense pacts. Then everybody started building battleships like there was no tomorrow.

3) The US was set to be a neutral power, but it had a lot of connections with both Britain and Germany. But Britain had something Germany did not, an undersea cable to the US, which only conveyed the British point of view, as well as a lot of propaganda against the Germans.

This wasn’t helped by German ignorance of the US, especially when they asked Mexico for an alliance against the US (The Zimmermann Telegram), which was intercepted by the British, who let the Americans know.

4) Last but not least was US president Woodrow Wilson, a charmingly progressive combination of ignorance and arrogance, self-importance and racism, and who was surrounded by a dense cabal of like minded Democrats.


44 posted on 03/20/2014 8:47:08 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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With a little trickery ...

Yup. The Ems Dispatch. Only the Frogs would declare war because they felt insulted.

45 posted on 03/20/2014 8:54:38 AM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: MuttTheHoople
The Germans, therefore, are wrong yet again. In war they are wrong and now, even in peace, they are wrong, not doing enough.

It's my guess that whatever the Germans do, it will be too little, not enough or just wrong. :o)

46 posted on 03/20/2014 4:26:34 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: dfwgator
I do believe at the end of the Cold War we should have had a “Marshall Plan” for Russia to get them on their feet.
Would have paid huge dividends down the road, and I think even Reagan would have supported the idea. But Clinton and Albright wanted to rub the Russians’ noses in it.
Now the Bear is back.

You might be right.
However, there was no guarantee than the Russians would have WANTED Western help.
Also we do NOT know what their circumstances REALLY were as we NEVER, EVER got the truth (Pravda) from their news media...Pravda.

They WILL do things their own way. They always have...and it's my read that they always will.

You are right about Clinton and Aldim.

The Bear IS back but it won't be the same as it was in the Cold War. There is simply TOO much communication available and the Russian people REALLY want the "stuff" that we have in the West. The Russians CAN'T afford both a war and the "stuff."

That was my read on the Russians when my husband and I went there in 2008. Maybe it's different now.

47 posted on 03/20/2014 4:41:07 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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