Posted on 03/30/2014 5:12:07 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
2) Our society has decided that hard work is unnecessary, so kids want easy degrees and low expectations. They have no work ethic, skills, or patience. They become unemployable right from the start and never recover.
Bad feedback loop -- workers who are not employable, and companies which cannot provide a decent incentive as to why a worker would really want to be employable.
Gonna be a rough ride.
I found that hilarious also: I could think some manager who had no understanding of technology had a policy of always asking for X years of experience, even in a technology that just emerged.
The ad says: compensation: $16.00/hr
The position is PM/Maintenance Tech - 2nd Shift
In your opinion, how much should the compensation be for the skillset described?
In my observation, companies are totally unprepared to hire anyone who has not done the EXACT same job somewhere else and therefore does not require training. If the company makes blue, left-handed widgets and the applicant has experience in blue, right-handed widgets - no good!
My son just finished his first six months at Wal-Mart.
He had a nice performance review. Why? He came in 10 minutes early, stayed late if needed, was polite and helpful to the customers, and completed his assigned tasks on time or with time to spare.
Many companies are not really serious about hiring. If a genius who will work for $35K comes along, they will take him, otherwise they’ll keep looking.
When business starts to boom, and they need people to meet the demand, then they sing a different tune. Those oil wells out in the Dakotas, they need rig men and truck drivers, and they attract them from all over the country by paying whatever is necessary. They’ll take less-than-perfect guys if they’re willing to show up and work.
My wife’s company scours the horizon for Machinists and solid mechanics. There is a major skills gap.
What I learned in college though was “never beg for a job.” In order to get the job, you have to act like you don’t really need one.....if you start begging they will humiliate you royally - they will go down your resume and essentially tell you that a trained monkey could have done the jobs you have done (which, at the time I graduated from college, was true).
It’s not just high school dropouts and drug users that have a tough time getting jobs....the brainy, nerdy types have especially difficult times answering “what was your most satisfying experience/biggest disappointment/and (other than for the money), why do you want this job?”
Part of that has been incompetent HR personnel and incompetent managers who cannot comprhend what they are asking for is ludicrous. We used to see IT advertisements with programming language experience that when all added up would have required the job seeker to have been working with those software languages since before FORTRAN and COBOL were invented.
Another part of the resume experience requirements creep is due to companies deliberately making impossible requirements to make sure only their pre-selected in-house or foreign job candidate would be allowed to phony qualify for a position that had to be advertised to the public.
Between $28.00 and $32.00
Not a bad article, really. Nails a few things directly.
“There IS a skill gap. “
I think the author was saying that the problems are not the lack of sills, but hat there is a lack of investment by those desiring the skills to obtain them, and I totally agree with that as a fact.
The difference is that people will and can do the jobs but where is the motivation to do so? Supply & Demand requires a demand and demand requires paying such that the supply wants to meet the demand.
The author is pointing out that people are not dumber than they were yesterday, business and colleges and dumber.
Let’s face it, why would anyone spend the countless hours learning computer programming for the $75k-$120k salary when they can do practically nothing and be a project manager for even more money? We’ve turned ‘manager’ into a career field and not a position of higher responsibility. “What do you do, Mr. Smith?” “Why, I am a manager.” “Anything else?” “Nope, I just manage stuff.”
A degree in “Business Communications” or “Marketing” plus a 3 week wonder PMI project manager credential = $100k+ and be the boss. A degree in engineering plus thousands of hours studying the latest technologies = $100k+ and be the subordinate. Hmmm...which one to choose.
$30/hr is the range I pay mine.
That’s insane. They’re delusional.
Yep.
That ad nailed the problem.
Young, hard-working men with 2-3 years experience should be able to support a family. (Not rich, just enough to handle a small home, wife, and a baby)
I can see starting them out at $16/hr for a three month training period. (This way you aren’t stuck with someone who doesn’t have what you thought they had or who washes out after two weeks)
But, then you raise it to something reasonable (with benefits) and you put that in the ad.
Please don’t forget that this job requires:
• Knowledge of blueprint reading.
• Knowledge to maintain and repair electrical components of machinery
They want an electrician with 3 years experience for $16 an hour??
About double what they're offering.
If hiring was done by shop personnel these issues would go away. There is only a skills gap because HR buffoons say there is. They have rediculous hiring matrices that few people would ever get through. Irony abounds now that I am self employed. Companies that never would have hired me now pay me 3 to 4 times as a contract engineer and hire my company to manufacture parts for their aircraft. Even after 10 years of this they would still never hire me.
Anyone who is interested should learn machining. Good money to be had and all the old farts are retiring with few, if any, replacements.
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