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So You Think You're Smarter Than A CIA Agent
NPR ^ | 02 April 2014 | Alix Spiegel

Posted on 04/02/2014 9:55:23 PM PDT by Theoria

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High levels of ArtBell-age here...

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41 posted on 04/04/2014 11:21:37 AM PDT by null and void (I don't mind getting older, but I hate wearing out!)
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To: null and void; Art Bell
High levels of ArtBell-age here...

True that. Now if only Art Bell were available to do a show on this, I'd be listening.

42 posted on 04/04/2014 11:29:52 AM PDT by lonevoice (We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality)
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To: lonevoice

Me too! OTOH, he isn’t totally retired is he?


43 posted on 04/04/2014 11:31:48 AM PDT by null and void (I don't mind getting older, but I hate wearing out!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Jepoardy? (lol)


45 posted on 04/04/2014 11:49:51 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: null and void; Art Bell

Not really. He’s publicly accounced his intention to return to the airwaves on the day his non-compete agreement with SiriusXM radio expires. September 2015. In the meantime, he’s never far away and lurks in many places. :)


46 posted on 04/04/2014 2:39:09 PM PDT by lonevoice (We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality)
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To: lonevoice

I’ve been going back through the Dark Matter shows he did, to deal with my withdrawal of not having Art on Air live.


47 posted on 04/04/2014 2:47:24 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN

I feel your pain. There’s a huge Art Bell-sized hole in broadcast programming that nobody else can fill, not even close.


48 posted on 04/04/2014 3:00:00 PM PDT by lonevoice (We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality)
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To: redheadtoo

Ditto. FReepers do this 24/7.


49 posted on 04/04/2014 3:37:45 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: ottbmare

Aren’t diplomats on a one day strike?


50 posted on 04/04/2014 3:40:40 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Theoria

This is a study. The CIA failed to predict the fall of the USSR, failed to recognize the threat of Islamic terrorists, etc.

They need more than a study.


51 posted on 04/04/2014 3:50:59 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: lonevoice
... And it's not just his baratone voice. Art is a very adept interviewer. He has a strong BS meter that he manipulates to entertain. But when push comes to shove he will not allow his credulity to be stretched beyond rational. Interviews ranging from Michio Kaku to David Icke display Art's nimble mind and ear for the entertaining even when he doesn't agree witht he BS being spewed.

I was listening to an interview he did last October (IIRC) with a guy that Art believed was a charlatan, but Art kept pulling more and more outlandish assertions out of the guy until the interviewee finally realized he was making a fool of himself!

52 posted on 04/04/2014 4:02:31 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: jcon40
the Trancendental Meditation idea of 1% meditating for world peace and the lowering of violent crime in major US cities

Which actually turned out to be crap.

53 posted on 04/04/2014 5:07:37 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: jcon40

That also turned out to be crap as well.


54 posted on 04/04/2014 5:08:52 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: jcon40
It's not. It's a non-blind evaluation, which like most non-blind studies in inherently biased in a way that the practitioner is unable to detect -- because it's his own bias.

All of the pseudo-scientific claims you've made have been shout down whenever their results have been evaluated by judges who had no idea what the "experimenters" were trying to predict.

There is no "psi" in science. No reliable scientific study has ever found any basis for claims of non-local or non-temporal consciousness. Transcendental Meditation is a bunch of baloney. Please get real.

55 posted on 04/04/2014 5:15:50 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: MHGinTN
Art kept pulling more and more outlandish assertions out of the guy until the interviewee finally realized he was making a fool of himself!

Classic Art Bell :)

56 posted on 04/04/2014 5:37:34 PM PDT by lonevoice (We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality)
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To: null and void

the collective unconscious is an amazing thing


57 posted on 04/04/2014 7:38:01 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: FredZarguna

Hey comment # 55 !

My response is to the original post that is already making some fairly wild claims about predicting the future. I was referencing some other studies in fields that could be compared to the article’s claim, not trying to convince you it’s true.

I find FR to have a wide variety of informed readers who, though I knew I’d probably get flamed by a few, also thought would turn up someone sharing similar works in these areas where I might get pointed to some new good reading material.

My comment on TM was (....“group think experiments” that resulted in some success; the concept of Gestalt Psychology from the early 1900’s Germany and The 1% factor from Transcendental Meditation in the 1970’s) See my words “Some success” There Was some success but their testing methods I agree were questionable.
However, there are still several groups pursuing this line of experimentation. I hope someone gets lucky !!

In the research done by Stanford and Princeton, especially the PEAR Project, on Non local consciousness and remote viewing they are aware there are many who scoff at their results. I was impressed at the extent they went to to try and set rigid test parameters. This is an incredibly difficult subject to study much less have test parameters that are completely bullet proof.

I have followed their work for years and am impressed with the statistics they have been able to produce even if the statistical results are rather slight in some instances.

The work Rene Peoche did with the baby chickens was I think, remarkable. Many others agree and I see more science thumbs up then down in that experiment even though it was a bit silly.

By the way, how do you know you’re real? Please explain


58 posted on 04/04/2014 9:22:35 PM PDT by jcon40
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To: jcon40
The TM 1% plan had zero success. Martin Gardner actually produced results showing that violent crime was higher and had increased in many localities where TM exceeded 1%. [It meant nothing more than the TM'ers exaggerated and in many cases fraudulent claims, which could easily be accounted for by properly choosing the definition of "locality."]

Everyone serious scoffs at PEAR. Among many -- and a decent summary: http://www.skepdic.com/globalconsciousness.html

By the way, how do you know you’re real? Please explain

A poster responding to appeals for sanity suggests that his critic's arguments may be baseless because the critic cannot prove his own existence. This surely wins you this weekends's Gormless Irony For The Entire Internet Award®. Congratulations! You have demolished Descartes: "I answer you, therefore you do not exist."

Or something.

This kind of confused, magical thinking is entirely representative of people who believe the kinds of things you do. [And of people who believe this article is actually reflective of anything other than cherry-picking the definition of "successful prediction."]

59 posted on 04/04/2014 10:16:21 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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