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As Army shrinks, young officers being pushed out
Associated Press ^ | Apr 21, 2014 2:46 PM EDT | Lolita C. Baldor

Posted on 04/21/2014 12:34:06 PM PDT by Olog-hai

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To: Olog-hai

Well I imagine that would give us the advantage then. What good does it do them to march a conventional Army at us if we can so easily wipe them out remotely?


21 posted on 04/21/2014 1:14:07 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: lee martell

That’s pure victim mentality propaganda BS that has infected our military leadership and politicians trying to score anti-Bush points. That’s when the suicide “epidemic” stories began and now its a PC narrative.

Their suicide rate is actually no worse than the general population’s here. After multiple deployments, if they want to stay in, THAT is when you send them to a school, send them to an accompanied tour somewhere out of combat, develop them professionally, and then send them back to forming units as respected seasoned leaders.

Instead, we send them to guys like Major Hassan for mandatory counseling, isolate them by unceremoniously kicking them to the curb, and throwing them into civilian life that has no concept of what they have seen.

Isolating them by separating them involuntarily from the Army, bad. Giving them a quiet assignment, letting them grow, and showing them due earned respect, good.

Of course, that was when we had a peacetime Army. Now we are in constant war with Eurasia! Or was it Eastasia? I cant remember anymore,,,


22 posted on 04/21/2014 1:15:24 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: SamAdams76

Wars are fought for territory and resources. Those require boots on the ground to exploit.


23 posted on 04/21/2014 1:16:44 PM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: ExpatGator

What territory and resources are we looking to acquire (besides those of Canada)?


24 posted on 04/21/2014 1:18:18 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: lee martell

What is askew is that the stateside jobs that a returning combat vet might aspire to in the Army are filled with careerists, single moms, and officers who play the admin game and punch tickets.
They are very happy to flush away Officers who would bring good combat records and solid experience to the competition.


25 posted on 04/21/2014 1:18:37 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Free Vulcan

nom nom nom,,,good food.


26 posted on 04/21/2014 1:21:55 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Olog-hai

Well duh...anytime you downsize you need to push people out. The issue isn’t people being pushed out...it’s what is the proper size of our military and how can we push out some of the civilians that sit around and collect a check.


27 posted on 04/21/2014 1:24:20 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Olog-hai

There is really No loss. these Officers will be subject to involuntary recall should Obama’s Crap really hit the fan.

Of course by then these guys and gals will have moved on with their lives so they ‘ll only be screwed again.


28 posted on 04/21/2014 1:25:56 PM PDT by puppypusher ( The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Olog-hai
Vlad Putin's “tanks” are rolling west.The Chinese military increases in size (one one would expect in capability as well) by 10% a year.Iran is within months of developing a nuke.North Korea spends 95% of its GDP on nukes.And Osama a Obama thinks we're too strong,too powerful.He thinks that money once sent to the DoD can now be better spent on helping NASA fight “global warming”,on “women's health clinics” and on “outreach” to “transgendered” 10 year olds.
29 posted on 04/21/2014 1:28:04 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: DesertRhino

For that to be true they’d have to have a plan to keep the Army top heavy. They could be doing that, but often times they first cut the junior ranks and then let the older ranks retire. The junior officers are more likely to get meaningful employment...the older officers not so much.

Not everything is a conspiracy. Once again the real question is what size should the army be.


30 posted on 04/21/2014 1:28:05 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: DesertRhino

Otherwise known as feather merchants.


31 posted on 04/21/2014 1:34:29 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: for-q-clinton

“Not everything is a conspiracy”

Actually, lately it sure is. And it’s naïve to think that the senior leaders are thinking of the proper size force structure. I assure you that they are thinking only of structures that include them in it, and which position them to land in the defense industry afterwards.

Ask around,,


32 posted on 04/21/2014 1:38:08 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Dogfaced Soldier
Democratic Presidents love to slash military forces.

They also like to make sure the officers that remain are loyal to them and not the Constitution.

During the Clinton reign of terror I watched as five different Air Force Majors were promoted and each one of them had "bad paper" in their jackets that should have precluded them from promotion to Lieutenant Colonel. At the same time I saw at least a dozen Majors who I knew to be some of the smartest and finest officers get passed over.

Promoting the bad seeds makes them loyal to the wrong thing. They do not care about the mission and war fighting but for their jobs and paycheck. They know where their bread is buttered and following the Oath of Office is not part of the equation.

33 posted on 04/21/2014 1:40:51 PM PDT by OldMissileer
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To: Olog-hai
Is stupid.
Trained, combat experienced officers being forced out.
Beyond stupid.
34 posted on 04/21/2014 2:29:00 PM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: OldMissileer

I agree with you.


35 posted on 04/21/2014 2:29:05 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

I’m in the military I know how it works. and Rule #1 is personnel/manpower is inept at managing the force. They always overcut then over-recruit.

But it’s not all the senior leaders that get to make this decision. The Tippy-Top brass sure they may be vying for a position but it’s not that many of them...the real issue is the field grade officers and they will be getting retired soon anyway. Then it’s easy to replace junior officers, but not so much field graders as when they are gone it takes years to replace them.


36 posted on 04/21/2014 2:29:29 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: grobdriver

Is stupid.
Trained, combat experienced officers being forced out.
Beyond stupid.

_____________

Not stupid at all if one wants willing savages.


37 posted on 04/21/2014 2:30:36 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: SamAdams76

Judging by where we have had military resources (including me) fighting for the last 20+ years I would guess in the Middle East/Asia and oil. Maybe throw in some rare earths in re Afghanistan. Judging by the hamstringing of our troops and spooks we are sure not trying to stamp out terrorism so I can only guess it is for resources......


38 posted on 04/21/2014 2:48:19 PM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: SamAdams76

Army Aviation is being phased out. Kiowas are being replaced by drones and there is no airframe to replace Apaches- Again drones. Only thing remaining is Chinook and Blackhawk for transport dustoff/medevac and logisitical support


39 posted on 04/21/2014 2:51:45 PM PDT by slapshot
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To: Olog-hai
Here is a 2014 Congressional Research Service paper on the proposed reductions:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/R42493.pdf

Interesting reading.

If you equate 3 BCTs to a division, the proposal is to go from 14 2/3 active duty division equivalents (44 BCT) down to 8 active duty division equivalents (24 BCT). Army leadership says it can't do the job with any less than 9 1/3 active duty division equivalents (28 BCT).

The report also notes that the Army wants to add a battalion to each one of the 24 reserve BCTs. 24 battalions is equivalent to the infantry strength of 2 2/3 divisions.

40 posted on 04/21/2014 2:53:06 PM PDT by Captain Rhino (Determined effort today forges tomorrow)
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