Posted on 09/08/2014 12:02:47 PM PDT by FlJoePa
Blah, blah, blah, etc.,etc....
What is the line that you feel Sandusky crossed?
...the line that Sandusky clearly crossed was touching boys against their will, in ways that caused them great disturbance...and is rightly incarcerated...
What specific acts are okay with you, for adult men to “do” with young boys?
...if you are attempting to make me appear to support Sandusky, go bark up another tree...I was responding to someone who made a wild ‘rape’accusation, and I am simply saying that no evidence exists of ‘anal penetration’...
...I made no assertion of any act that is acceptable to me; that is something you carelessly read into my post...
I think this is just a way for the NCAA of saying,”Oops, we over stepped.
...nope...
This was a police matter, not football.”
...nope...
OK. I am guilty of not following the back-and-forths in the thread very accurately. I am sorry if I offended you. I now see that you were just clarifying the one point.
I am sorry if I offended you.
...I was not offended...the whole Sandusky affair is highly charged here in Pa, and everyone seems to have something to say about it, including myself...
Oddly enough, many of us are against child abuse, even at the expense of a college football program.
Superior(s), plural? As in Curley and Schultz?
That's always bothered me, because if Paterno met with Schultz, or spoke with Schultz, or knew that Curley met with Schultz, then Joe Paterno committed perjury before the grand jury.
He reported it to Curley (his immediate superior) and asked that Curley set up a meeting with Curley/Schultz/McQueary.
Exactly as the PSU handbook said to do, and exactly as the new ncaa handbook on sexual assault on campuses says to do.
Blame the dead guy. That is all these PSU haters have. They all lost big bets when their team got beat by PSU. Follow the money. Sandusky’s next door neighbors didn’t even know of his abuse. ... But they are still alive.
According to ESPN Magazine in April 2012, Spanier, Curley, and Schultz tried to retire Paterno in 2004. He told them “he wasn’t ready to go.” “Hey, fellas,” Paterno said, his voice rising, “I’ve raised more than $1 billion for this university — in this kitchen. I’m not going anywhere.”
...... Paterno could not help telling reporters how Spanier and others had tried to force him out, while sitting at his kitchen table. “I said, ‘Relax. Get off my backside,’” Paterno told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.
...... For the university’s leaders, the incident in the kitchen was a powerful reminder of Paterno’s staying power. Every year after, he would flirt with retirement. Sometimes, he’d draw up a list of possible successors. (Urban Meyer topped it in 2011.) But after each season, Paterno changed his mind. The trustees resented Paterno’s insistence that he’d decide on his successor. “It’s not his decision,” one said last summer.
So, puhlease, enough with Paterno reporting it upstairs. He was in charge, not them.
Q: You indicated that your report was made directly to Tim Curley. Do you know of that report being made to anyone else that was a university official?
Mr. Paterno: No, because I figured that Tim would handle it appropriately. I have a tremendous amount of confidence in Mr. Curley and I thought he would look into it and handle it appropriately.
Paterno didn't know of any other university official knowing of the report, and he let Tim Curley handle it. Where and when does Paterno say he asked that Curley set up a meeting with Curley/Schultz/McQueary?
First, if JoePa reported it to Schultz, then JoePa perjured himself before the grand jury. Second, although department of the university police ultimately reported to Schultz, so did Internal Audit, and Buildings and Maintenance, and another dozen departments.
They may well have said JoePa reported it to the Athletic Director and the head of Buildings and Maintenance. After all, it did involve on-campus plumbing.
Keep blaming the dead guy. It looks so good on you.
So JoePa either violated the PSU handbook or perjured himself before the grand jury. Which was it?
Also, here's a very good, short interview between Paul Finebaum and Jay Paterno (took place an hour or so ago) where Jay sums up the legal issues still very much in place here.
Where and when does Paterno say he asked that Curley set up a meeting with Curley/Schultz/McQueary?
...he doesn’t...but it’s a moot point...the GJ soft-soaped Paterno, focusing instead on Curley and Schultz...
...Paterno volunteered, in the same testimony, that he may have heard rumors regarding Sandusky...this, to some, amounted to letting the proverbial cat out of the bag...
If you believe I think Joe Paterno is the only person at Penn State responsible for enabling Sandusky, you are sadly mistaken. Among others, I place more blame on PSU/The Second Mile’s general counsel.
I was just replying to the conversation and hit “reply” while reading your post. I think you are I are in agreement on this, but some others here have a lot of wishful thinking going on.
I am not a Paterno hater. I don’t hate him any more than I would King Lear or any other tragic figure in literature. I think he had a tragic flaw, the need to be in charge at all costs. He wanted to exit the stage only when he, the star-writer-director-producer, decided it was time.
He wanted to exit the stage only when he, the star-writer-director-producer, decided it was time.
...interesting way to put it...seeing as he wasn’t fired until he tried to strong arm the BOT by telling them when he would retire...bad move, on his part...
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