Posted on 12/12/2014 1:06:24 PM PST by Citizen Zed
There are rare exceptions, but our POW’s in Vietnam told us that under REAL torture, everyone eventually breaks, everyone talks.
Everyone.
Of course it works. People will say anything to make the pain stop and along with the truth is a bunch of BS, lies, and nonsense. Thus it requires analysis and gives them the cover to say “we’ll never know”. But what we do know is that without the EITs we’d never have had the raw material to work with.
Great teaching point by your father.
Think if hadn’t been your father, but an armed guard with a dog, and the dog and the guard had a terrific bark.
In less than 24 hours of sleep deprivation, point of capture imbalance, and fear of what your interrogators might do to you, interspersed with the screams of role players pretending to be tortured from the other side of camp.
Pure intelligence report goodness.
I will not claim I’ve ever been tortured.
I have, however, been made “profoundly uncomfortable” for a couple of days.
It taught me one inviolable rule - “Save the last round for yourself”.
If TV programs didn’t involve some type of torture or guns, there would only be ridiculous sitcoms.
I always chuckle when the character points a gun at another. Wants him/her to reveal info. Threatens again and again. Then, gun-character cocks to chamber, as if that is going to make it even more threatening.
And, "Never be taken alive".
That's the whole point of SERE, or that's what I came away with.
Yea, I remember at 6AM, when he told me he wasn’t letting me sleep, laughing about how that was nothing for punishment. The next few hours are a haze as he didn’t let me carb load or drink coffee so I was hungry and tired. Around 2PM I was toast. I’d try and sneak into the kitchen to lean on the counter so I could relax and close my eyes but he’d be there seconds later to keep me going. If I went to the bathroom he’d pound on the door if it got too quiet after a minute. I think around 4-5PM he finally let me drop and I slept through the night like a baby.
I never pushed staying up late after that for the rest of that summer.
In a civil instance. Say a psychopathic husband mentally torturing his wife, yes bad. Our government causing mental anguish to enemies, good.
Big difference, and yes, I can have it both ways.
IMHO if they still have all their fingers and toes, it is probably not torture.
You are in the lobby of a 200 room hotel. Upstairs, in some unknown room, your daughter will be raped and killed in the next 15 minutes. I your possession you have one golf club and an accomplice of the rapist.
Who thinks torture wouldn’t work?
McCain complains that you get more bad information than good information from torture - how much good information does it take to stop a terrorist attack and save lives?......
That's better than no information at all.
Exactly!......
sad to say—Torture does work and always has. Maybe not all the time but a good % of the time. Look at the Soviet Purges? the Inqusition? Every Empire from Sargon the First to Russia.
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