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My horrible right-wing past: Confessions of a one-time religious right icon (barfalert needed?)
Salon ^ | Wednesday, Dec 24, 2014 06:58 AM EST | Frank Schaeffer

Posted on 12/29/2014 9:25:13 AM PST by Olog-hai

I am a white, privileged, well-off, 61-year-old former Republican religious right-wing activist who changed his mind about religion and politics long ago. The New York Times profiled my change of heart saying that to my former friends I’m considered a “traitorous prince” since my religious-right family was once thought of as “evangelical royalty.”

You see, only in the Mafia, the British Royal family and big time American religion is a nepotistic rise to power seen as normal. And I was good at it. And I hated it while hypocritically profiting from it—until, that is, in the mid-1980s, I quit. These days I describe myself as an atheist who believes in God. […]

The leaders of the new religious right were gleefully betting on American failure. If secular, democratic, diverse and pluralistic America survived, then wouldn’t that prove that we were wrong about God only wanting to bless “Christian America?” If, for instance, crime went down dramatically in New York City, for any other reason than a reformation and revival, wouldn’t that make the prophets of doom look silly? And if the economy was booming without anyone repenting, what did that mean?

What began to bother me was that so many of our new “friends” on the religious right seemed to be rooting for one form of apocalypse or another. …

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You were always like this, Schaeffer. You’re still wacky enough to call the GOP-e “religious right” FCOL.
1 posted on 12/29/2014 9:25:13 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I just read this on Salon as was going to post it but you beat me to it. Schaeffer has flipped his lid.


2 posted on 12/29/2014 9:27:37 AM PST by darkangel82
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To: Olog-hai
What began to bother me was that so many of our new “friends” on the religious right seemed to be rooting for one form of apocalypse or another. …

It was the Communist spouting New Democrats who wanted political apocalypse and the destruction of the family unit.

SMASH THE PATRIARCHY

SMASH MONOGAMY

SMASH THE STATE

3 posted on 12/29/2014 9:30:10 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Shickl-Gruber's Big Lie gave us Hussein's Un-Affordable Care act (HUAC).)
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To: Olog-hai

World class cognitive dissonance.


4 posted on 12/29/2014 9:32:58 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Olog-hai

Just trying to make his own brand away from his father, the real theologian.


5 posted on 12/29/2014 9:33:06 AM PST by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: Olog-hai

Frankie Schaeffer making a living as a professional atheist bashing his late father.


6 posted on 12/29/2014 9:33:22 AM PST by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I was gonna say “industrial strength” but yeah...;’)


7 posted on 12/29/2014 9:34:39 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Olog-hai

This apostate is taking credit for turning Christians into the “religious right”?
Delusions of grandeur.


8 posted on 12/29/2014 9:36:25 AM PST by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: Olog-hai

More BS from over at the Saloon.


9 posted on 12/29/2014 9:36:58 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (The trouble with America is that it's full of Americans. - The commie DemocRATS.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Olog-hai

I didn’t read even halfway through this bilge but it’s not worth it anyway. Salon is the perfect place for this nonsense.


10 posted on 12/29/2014 9:38:07 AM PST by darkangel82
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To: Olog-hai

I am grateful that there are no tears in heaven, otherwise this creeps father would be weeping continuously.


11 posted on 12/29/2014 9:39:09 AM PST by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: Olog-hai

Schaeffer writes as though he left the Christian faith and conservative values behind last week. In fact, he left 30 years ago. This article of his is nothing but gratuitous showboating.

Having said that, Schaeffer highlights some of the problems with per-millenial dispensationalism which his father unfortunately espoused. However, it’s pointless to debate the point with someone who isn’t a Christian. For him, the issue is irrelevant. The only thing to be done with Schaeffer is to share the gospel with him and pray for him.


12 posted on 12/29/2014 9:40:45 AM PST by LeoMcNeil
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To: Olog-hai
If, for instance, crime went down dramatically in New York City, for any other reason than a reformation and revival, wouldn’t that make the prophets of doom look silly? And if the economy was booming without anyone repenting, what did that mean?

Well, I cannot speak for the evangelicals, but the conservative Catholics I know, and radio hosts in NYC both liberal and conservative, attributed the decline in crime in NYC to 1. Giuliani replacing Dinkins and 2. Demographics. In ancient times, as today, plenty of places were debauched and prosperous at the same time (then: Corinth, Sodom and Gomorrah, Ninevah; Today: San Fran, NYC, Copenhagen).

If technology or social sciences actually made socialism work as intended, and resulted in lower unemployment and inflation and less debt and better overall health care, it would STILL be wrong because it works against the nature of man, and undermines his dignity.

We live in bigger houses, our cars need fewer repairts, we have 20 times as many channels, and we have half of the world's information at our fingertips. We are not better people. Our children are not as happy. There is more loneliness. The earth is not our final home. What has 50 years of therapy, international fame and wealth brought Woody Allen but despair? We still need a Saviour.
13 posted on 12/29/2014 9:40:48 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Olog-hai

Let me guess....Frank discovered that he was a pervert and then...well,you know the rest!


14 posted on 12/29/2014 9:46:18 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Jimmy Carter;No Longer The Worst President In My Lifetime)
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To: darkangel82

I was trying to find a logical explanation on his (d)evolution of his personal beliefs, but it was so rabid, so hateful and illogical (along with the usual ultraleft Democrat talking points), and injected with a sense of self-grandiosity in his alleged role of the rise of religious Conservatives in the GOP. He’s clearly not playing with a full deck.


15 posted on 12/29/2014 9:46:53 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Olog-hai

Liberals are so funny. They’ll do anything for attention: stab their families and friends in the back, insult their own parents, twist their way around dissociating EVERYTHING from “right” and “wrong,” and, mostly, lie. They lie constantly, because they don’t believe in truth.

ANYTHING GOES BUT

When I say “anything,” there is always one common thread:

“ME.” It’s ALWAYS about “ME.”

This little worm makes me puke.


16 posted on 12/29/2014 9:47:47 AM PST by golux
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To: Olog-hai

What the hell is this fool talking about?


17 posted on 12/29/2014 9:48:28 AM PST by ilgipper
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To: Olog-hai

His self-loathing is well earned. It pains me to imagine what it must be like in his desperately befuddled mind. Clearly he has never been neither Christian nor Conservative.

“...Fast-forward 30 years to the early 21st century: The messengers, leaders and day-to-day “issues” changed. For instance, we were into taking away a woman’s right to choose. Today it’s about gay bashing and denying climate change — and now the nakedly racist anti-immigrant movement threat is part of the reaction to the black man in the White House...”


18 posted on 12/29/2014 9:49:30 AM PST by getitright (If you call this HOPE, can we give despair a shot?)
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To: Dr. Sivana

I’d like to know how Schaeffer was certain that nobody was repenting.


19 posted on 12/29/2014 9:49:55 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: fieldmarshaldj

There really isn’t a logical explanation to anything on Salon or other such places. But I think you are correct in your assessment.


20 posted on 12/29/2014 9:50:48 AM PST by darkangel82
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