Posted on 07/09/2015 4:50:03 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
They did DNA on this tribe. Lots of the indians are traced to Asia. This tribe was traced to Polynesia!
According to us “Redskins,” you’re ALL illegal!
First, I think Oog, the actual first discoverer would disagree.
The Pacific Northwest has the Japanese current sweeping things from Japan. Parts of temple gates, glass net floats and other things including the recent boats and floating piers have been found from BC to Southern Oregon. Why not a boat full of storm driven fishermen?
The Chinese could have easily used this same current to take them to America.
And some Chinese may have made it here, but were lost at sea on the way back to China. Sailing the oceans was dangerous business back then!
Show us the deeds
Plus, the petroglyphs to me only have a superficial resemblance to the old Chinese writing.
And if Chinese did arrive at that time, why would they try wandering around a desert? No horses in North America at the time.
Barry Fell worked with Gloria Farley. Her book, “They All Came to America” describes inscriptions including runes, Celt-Iberian, north African, and a number of other languages and religious images.
Thirty years ago I was at the Epcot Center in Orlando, and saw a cup labeled as Central American which looked exactly like Japanese art. I took a year of History and Appreciation of Art in college, and Asian art was one of the topics we covered.
This Olmec head was at least 1,000 BC or earlier. I read somewhere that ancient Mediterranean seafarers used African mercenaries as fighters. The poorly documented “Sea Peoples” were active around the same period as the Olmec heads were made. My theory is that somehow some ships landed in the new world, and either were stuck here by storm or ship rot, or the mercenaries overthrew their lords and masters, and took over the Olmec area. This was also an era when huge carvings of leaders were being made on the Nile River like the ones at Abu Simbel of Ramases, so if these settlers were familiar with that artistic/power trend the huge heads make sense. At any rate there was a significant advancement of Olmec culture at this time which could have been sparked by Afro/European invaders/settlers.
A recent theory I have read is that the Olmecs were the ‘land carriers’ of trade goods from the Pacific to the Gulf/Atlantic, etc. They would carry the ‘goods’ (across land) from one ship to another.
Only white men need deeds to prove they stole the land from us...they are called “treaties.”
The Polynesians were, indeed, phenomenal navigators (using wave refraction patterns from distant islands, etc.). The large canoes (especially if fitted with outriggers) would match the culture, too...
One wonders how such tropic-acclimated folk wound up in such a cold place, though. Probably not by choice; more likely the victims/passengers of large-scale ocean currents.
Of all the "paleo-dispersion" theories mentioned here, I might find this one most believable. Those Polynesians really "got around" -- even to remote, isolated islands that would be a navigation challenge, even with GPS!
So you have no idea you were actually “there first” And did the tribes warrior against each other, steal land from each other?
You act as though there was some autonomous nation of tribes. You know damn good and well there wasn’t, they killed each other, raped each other, took each other’s “land”
You’ve bought into the PC/Disney line they were all such nice live-and-let-livers until the evil Europeans arrived. At least your ancestors (assuming this isn’t Elizabeth Warren by chance?) got “treaties” from the white man. You would have been annihilated had Asians been there first. The Japanese of a mere 70 years ago showed no mercy, you think their ancestors were any different?
I’m not going to dignify your rant. I said what I wanted to and you said what you wanted. As far as I am concerned, the conversation between you and I is over. Period. Don’t respond, please.
I had to take a class to satisfy a humanities requirement many years ago and chose Art Appreciation thinking ‘what the hey’, and enjoyed the class very much.
The indicator, imo, is the long established presence of plague bacteria still occasionally found in mice, rats and suchlike in the western and south western US, but not so much in the eastern parts of the country.
I mean, that’d seem to be an indicator if I’m correct in my understanding that the plague originated in the Asia AO.
I should re-read Barry Fell's books, and finish tracking down the old back issues of ESOP.
I’d enjoy seeing some kind of ancient wreck evidence, to establish that they had a seagoing tradition (trade, exploration, power projection). Of course, the Japanese used to have a floor date beneath which human presence in Japan was not permitted, analogous to the Clovis-first in the Americas; after the oldest *possible* remains were found, the digging stopped. Some maverick decided to keep digging and discovered that Japan’s prehistory didn’t just mysteriously fire up during the Neolithic. :’)
In my case the course was to satisfy a History requirement. We could take European History or World History, or we could take History and Appreciation of Art, or Music, or Drama. One year total.
SC: What is ESOP?
As to why would the Chinese be wandering around a desert, the question is how close was this petroglyph location to a navigable body of water? Most of the sites that Gloria Farley studied over 30 or 40 years were located relatively near rivers and large streams that ships and small boats could travel on. It might be that a number of marks by various exploring cultures were made when the point was reached that they could no longer go upstream, kind of as an explorers flag to claim the discovery or voyage.
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