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Petroglyph in Spain Marks when Atlantic and Mediterranean Cultures Met
popular-archaeology.com ^ | Mon, Oct 05, 2015 | Staff

Posted on 10/06/2015 6:17:04 AM PDT by Red Badger

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To: Grimmy

They may serve the same purpose as ship silhouettes.....................

21 posted on 10/07/2015 11:30:52 AM PDT by Red Badger (READ MY LIPS: NO MORE BUSHES!...............)
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To: Red Badger

http://www.amazon.com/Baltic-Origins-Homers-Epic-Tales/dp/1594770522

I don’t know enough about ancient and pre-history to agree or disagree with the theory put forward in the book at the link above, but it does seem to answer a whole lot of the questions about the earliest Med civilizations.

And, it’s a fun read even if just for the cognitive dissonance it causes.


22 posted on 10/07/2015 11:31:12 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Red Badger

I tend to agree.

It is best if those who are charged with defending their people from an enemy can discern friend from foe at the greatest possible distance.

And the hunters of a tribe were also that tribe’s defenders.


23 posted on 10/07/2015 11:33:30 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Red Badger

It’s probably best not to take any of my theories on pre-history too seriously, though.

After all, I believe cannabis was responsible for the beginnings of civilization.

Who would think to plant food in fields right near where they lived and gather up baby animals to pen up for quick food other than a bunch of lazy arsed stoners who had to deal with the overwhelming need for munchies on a regular basis?


24 posted on 10/07/2015 11:47:09 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Red Badger
20+ posts and no one has suggested the obvious!?


25 posted on 10/07/2015 11:49:31 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: blam

Source(s)?


26 posted on 10/07/2015 11:51:32 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
Sorry to burst your bubble. The men who hunted saw the living animals and made the great illustrations on how they ran. The women only got to see the butchered parts, the steaks. If the women painted them for a dinner menu, you would see roasts, chops, and steaks on the walls. The men with an eye for detail painted them. They kids made the stick figures.

Alternately, the paintings were used as instructional illustration for the kids, which would be why the animals were very detailed ("THIS is what an elk looks like!") while the humans would be just stick figures.

You would think that the men would teach the boys a bit about the animals they hunted, and how to approach them, BEFORE taking the boys out into the field.

27 posted on 10/07/2015 11:58:27 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: Grimmy
After all, I believe cannabis was responsible for the beginnings of civilization.

I don't know about the beginning of it, but it may be responsible for the ENDING of it....................

28 posted on 10/07/2015 12:24:13 PM PDT by Red Badger (READ MY LIPS: NO MORE BUSHES!...............)
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To: FourtySeven

Yep, aliens it was!....................

29 posted on 10/07/2015 12:27:05 PM PDT by Red Badger (READ MY LIPS: NO MORE BUSHES!...............)
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To: I am Richard Brandon

Click on the red lettering I left you, that is a link to the article in the European Union Times.


30 posted on 10/07/2015 2:04:58 PM PDT by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: Red Badger; Grimmy; SunkenCiv; blam; Paleo Pete; All

One reason for thinking the older cave paintings in France were “religious” and done by men is that they were frequently deep in the caves and hard to reach. They were not where the women were hanging out with the children, cooking, sewing, and sharing stories. Also, once the big hunts were done, the women had a lot more of the work to do, cutting, drying, curing and sewing skins, cooking, caring for kids, etc. The men just sat around making arrows and spear points, sleeping, telling stories, and inventing religions, until another hunt was needed.

So far as that boat is concerned, I see lines going from a mast to the front and back ends of the boat. This looks like what was done with the papyrus/reed boats that were used early on the Nile. It was necessary to pull up each end so it did not sag down into the water.


31 posted on 10/07/2015 10:38:45 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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I thought I'd posted this, oh well:
32 posted on 10/08/2015 4:52:39 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: gleeaikin
One reason for thinking the older cave paintings in France were “religious” and done by men is that they were frequently deep in the caves and hard to reach.

But that is most likely exactly where the women and children would be found, deep in the back of the cave, safe from predators and other human enemies. Plus, the temperature in the back of the caves stays fairly constant year round, and that would be very important during winter months when hunting for fuel for fires would be difficult and dangerous. Also during winter months, they would not be out gathering berries and plants for sustenance, they would be huddled in their warm dens awaiting the arrival of spring, taking care of the children, making clothes from animal hides and educating them and telling stories of good times to keep their spirits up. They would be taking care of the family, decorating their homes and waiting for the men to come home from work, i.e. the hunt, just as any modern woman would be doing today................

33 posted on 10/08/2015 6:33:48 AM PDT by Red Badger (READ MY LIPS: NO MORE BUSHES!...............)
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To: gleeaikin
So far as that boat is concerned, I see lines going from a mast to the front and back ends of the boat. This looks like what was done with the papyrus/reed boats that were used early on the Nile. It was necessary to pull up each end so it did not sag down into the water.

The boat appears to have its sails furled, with only the lines from the mast to the bow, deck and stern showing. That would indicate that the 'artist' painted what he/she saw, a boat that was hauled up on shore landing, either for repairs or to take on food and water.

The sailors may have met the artist and their 'tribe' for trading purposes or may have been hostile enemies looking for slaves, we'll never know. The animals around the boat may indicate that they were looking for animals for food or trade to take back home.

Or it may have been another Noah's Ark story.................

34 posted on 10/08/2015 6:41:00 AM PDT by Red Badger (READ MY LIPS: NO MORE BUSHES!...............)
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For decades I have been reading reports on the discovery of cave paintings in various locations. I don’t remember ever reading about any evidence of daily living being found on the floors of caves near the paintings. I also seem to recall that several were found deep within the caves. Families could likely have found sufficient shelter and temperature stability far closer to the mouth of the cave. In addition, there would have been extensive soot staining of the ceilings of living areas, and perhaps even soot damage to the cave paintings. The problem of lighting far back in a cave is also an issue. I am sticking with my impressions. By all means do some research on just where in caves the more famous paintings were found.


35 posted on 10/08/2015 2:32:24 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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Decided to look into this more. Here is a Wiki article on the reed boats of Egypt and Lake Titicaca, Bolivia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_boat

In addition, here are a lot of images of reed boats. A number also have lines as shown in the rock carving. You say bow and stern, I say front and back ends, what is the argument???

https://www.google.com/search?q=reed+boats+of+Egypt+and+Titicaca&num=50&newwindow=1&safe=off&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CCoQsARqFQoTCNTji57qs8gCFQjYHgodISoMsQ&biw=1600&bih=799


36 posted on 10/08/2015 2:43:45 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

Good catch — Heyerdahl used papyrus from Lake Chad (it had gone extinct south of the Aswan Dam) and used boat weavers from the Andes to build both of his Ra Expedition craft.


37 posted on 10/08/2015 2:47:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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