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Microsoft takes PUPs behind the shed with gun in hand ('Potentially unwanted programs', not canines)
The Register ^ | Nov 30, 2015 | Darren Pauli

Posted on 11/29/2015 9:49:58 PM PST by dayglored

Cute canines safe, 'Potentially unwanted programs' now nixed by System Centre or Forefront

Remond has updated its paid System Center Endpoint Protection and Forefront Endpoint Protection services with a feature to kill spammy and advertising injecting programs operating from within enterprise networks.

The upgrades will help system admins to eliminate potentially unwanted programs (PUPs) from networks that are not explicitly malware but at minimum are annoying and will escalate corporate attack vectors.

Microsoft security bod trio Geoff McDonald, Deepak Manohar, and Dulce Montemayor say the PUP destroyer will be delivered through automatic updates.

"These applications can increase the risk of your network being infected with malware, cause malware infections to be harder to identify among the noise, and can waste helpdesk, IT, and user time cleaning up the applications," the trio say.

"Typical examples of behavior that we consider [to be PUPs] include ad-injection, many types of software bundling, and persistent solicitation for payment for services based on fraudulent claims."

Annoying applications and reckless download bundlers foisted on users from major software attics will be blocked at download and install time if the opt-in feature is enabled.

The Redmond trio says admins should explicitly ban the installation of unsanctioned apps in corporate IT policies. If that is not practical, then admins using the new PUP killer should alert users that some downloads may be blocked.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Hobbies
KEYWORDS: deepakmanohar; dulcemontemayor; geoffmcdonald; microsoft; pups; windows; windowspinglist
This appears to be mainly (maybe exclusively) for Microsoft's enterprise customers, but it's of interest to not just execs and employees of those big outfits, but also to the many system admins here on FR.
1 posted on 11/29/2015 9:49:59 PM PST by dayglored
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To: dayglored; Abby4116; afraidfortherepublic; aft_lizard; AF_Blue; Alas Babylon!; amigatec; ...
Some help against those pesky potentially unwanted programs ... PING!

You can find all the Windows Ping list threads with FR search: just search on keyword "windowspinglist".

2 posted on 11/29/2015 9:50:49 PM PST by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored
Thanks for the post. I'm a systems analyst for an enterprise customer and this is good news. The bad guys were concentrating on ad servers over the summer and some of our users were getting clobbered from perfectly legitimate websites (coughcoughYahooNewscoughcough) whose ad clients had gotten compromised through no fault of theirs.

Hope it works out. We'll see.

3 posted on 11/29/2015 9:54:48 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: dayglored

They’re just taking out the competition.


4 posted on 11/29/2015 9:58:49 PM PST by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: dayglored

I did the upgrade yesterday and it didn’t brick the laptop. However, the machine burned through 93 percent of my battery in about one hour, and everything crawls now.


5 posted on 11/29/2015 10:02:11 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Is this similar to the “S.admathhd.com” pop-up that asks you to download an ad-ware program?

I get that on my two most visited sites: Drudge, and MSN.com.

It's extremely cunning. It has shut down my McAfee firewall at least a dozen times, and it also frequently blocks McAfee’s “Quick Clean,” which erases unnecessary files from Internet Explorer.

When I “Quick Clean” my computer, the pop-up completely stops, but often it takes 3 or 4 reboots to get “Quick Clean” to work.

6 posted on 11/29/2015 10:55:36 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: Auntie Mame
> They’re just taking out the competition.

That's one way of looking at it, true... :-)

7 posted on 11/29/2015 11:19:09 PM PST by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: SunkenCiv
> I did the upgrade yesterday and it didn't brick the laptop. However, the machine burned through 93 percent of my battery in about one hour, and everything crawls now.

I wouldn't be surprised about the battery usage -- the upgrade thrashes the hard drive. But "Everything crawls now" doesn't sound right -- Win10 is pretty peppy, generally better than Win7 or 8.x, all other things equal. Of course in-place upgrades can produce strange results, and it's a wonder they work at all.

Windows installations get stale after two years (often sooner than that) and so I'm in the habit of reinstalling from scratch every few years -- doing a full image backup, then a full data backup, then wipe the disk, install from scratch, run all the updates, reinstall the apps (culling out those I no longer use), update to the latest version of all my utilities, etc. etc.

So when I upgraded to Win10 I started with a fresh Win7 installation, did the Windows Updates (a few hours there) and immediately did an upgrade to Win10, which went swimmingly. Then I (re)installed my apps under Win10, and they're all working fine except the functions that don't work under Win10 (which wouldn't have stopped working anyway if I'd just upgraded in-place).

So I'm glad to hear it isn't bricked, but geez, I hope the slowness doesn't continue. It should be doing at least as well as in your prior OS version.

8 posted on 11/29/2015 11:28:34 PM PST by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored

The battery problem took place *after* the upgrade was done. The upgrade process itself took 4-4 1/2 hours. Another problem I’ve had is permissions — occasionally as I start a file download, I’m told I need administrator permissions to do anything with the (so far) non-existent file. I click cancel and try again in the same dialog box, then it asks me if I want to replace the file, I click okay, and down it comes.


9 posted on 11/30/2015 4:56:18 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: zeestephen

Nope.


10 posted on 11/30/2015 4:57:22 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: SunkenCiv
> The battery problem took place *after* the upgrade was done. The upgrade process itself took 4-4 1/2 hours.

*OH*. Okay, well the combination of short battery life and everything running slowly sure sounds like something is either thrashing the hard disk (Content searching and indexing? Malware scanning?) or the CPU has all its cores on maximum burn.

That's just not right -- and it's quite unusual. I can't diagnose it from here, but perhaps Task Manager can help you find the culprit. On the other hand, the next problem sort of exceeded my threshold of pain:

> Another problem I've had is permissions - occasionally as I start a file download, I'm told I need administrator permissions to do anything with the (so far) non-existent file...

That's bizarre.

Just my opinion, but if if were me, and these unusual problems only started after the upgrade, my confidence in the upgrade would be very low. I would declare the upgrade a failure, roll back to the previous OS version, and try again.

If the second try was unsuccessful in these or similarly unusual ways, it might be time for starting with a fresh install of the old OS, do updates, and upgrade that, then reinstall the apps and your data. Takes longer to do, but the result is cleaner and you save time and aggravation in the long run. At least, that's been my experience.

11 posted on 11/30/2015 7:00:04 AM PST by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored

thanks dg.


12 posted on 11/30/2015 9:20:32 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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