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Cruz and Trump Battle for the South
Politico ^ | 12/23/2015 | Katie Glueck

Posted on 12/23/2015 11:43:10 AM PST by conservativejoy

Rubio wants a piece of the March states too, but his rivals have the momentum.

"Amongst a lot of the grassroots, Sen. Cruz is definitely picking up momentum, there's no doubt about it," said Ryan Haynes, the unaligned chairman of the Tennessee GOP.

NASHVILLE, Tenn.:The battle for the South has settled into a race between two candidates, and neither is Marco Rubio.

In interviews with more than two dozen party officials, political operatives and activists, Ted Cruz and Donald Trump were repeatedly named as front-runners and likely winners in one of the most conservative regions of the country. Both contenders draw huge crowds and appeal to large swathes of middle- and lower-income white Republican Southerners, who are deeply angry with Washington.

Cruz has Trump, and the rest of the field, beat on organization, but Trump still lures the bigger audiences. And there is an increasing acknowledgment, even among the Republican elite, that the billionaire real estate developer has a committed base here, some of whom are likely voters and not the political celebrity gawkers many mainstream GOP operatives have guessed.

"Amongst a lot of the grass roots, Sen. Cruz is definitely picking up momentum, there's no doubt about it," said Ryan Haynes, the unaligned chairman of the Tennessee GOP.

Williamson County GOP Chair Julie Hannah Taleghani agreed that Cruz and Trump, who have spent significant time in the state, have the most momentum, and noted, "I have to honestly say, the Trump campaign" is building an organization as well.

Certainly, Rubio's not out; a viable path remains here for the candidate who has spent considerable resources building infrastructure in the South. Rubio has a long list of legislative endorsements in Tennessee, Alabama and elsewhere in the region. Particularly in this more moderate part of Tennessee, many people are torn between Rubio and Cruz.

But the feeling on the ground is that Cruz has the momentum with conservative activists and that there's some true support behind Trump's high poll numbers, much as many party stalwarts wish otherwise. And while Rubio is generating considerable interest among more centrist Republican voters, he's being squeezed not just on the right by Cruz but in the moderate lane by Jeb Bush and Chris Christie.

"Rubio's got a lot of names, prominent elected officials, he's the establishment darling right now," said Chris Brown, a Birmingham, Alabama, consultant who is backing Bush. "But that is not contributing to rank-and-file voters. They are more Cruz-oriented."

In Nashville on Tuesday, Cruz celebrated both his 45th birthday and a new poll that, for the first time, showed him within striking distance of Trump nationally. The Quinnipiac poll released that morning found Trump, the persistent national poll-leader, coming in at 28 percent, with Cruz pulling in 24 percent , within the margin of error.

"I did think it was interesting, Donald said a couple of days ago that he felt that the Republican race could come down just to him and me, and I think he may well be right," Cruz said. "If you look at the polling numbers, we are surging in the polls, and Donald may be right that this is turning more and more into a two-man race between Donald Trump and me. If that's the case, the decision will be made by the voters: Who has the experience, the record, who has been the most consistent conservative?"

The event Tuesday afternoon appeared smaller than Cruz's rallies over the weekend in Alabama, where he drew crowds of well over a thousand at two separate stops and frequently brought attendees to their feet. But it was not more staid despite being held in relatively more liberal Nashville.

The event at times felt like a Christian revival, with Cruz introducing the man who helped him and his father become religious, and many in the room joined in praying for Cruz as he spoke about his FAITH journey, a move that plays well with the deeply observant voters in the South.

Most of the room remained standing for the entirety of Cruz's stump speech, frequently chiming in with applause and remarks like "that's right" and "amen."

"If I am elected president , " Cruz began.

"When!" replied a chorus of people.

But it's Trump who holds the lead, Quinnipiac survey aside, and party leaders say enthusiasm for him on the ground is undeniable.

"To me, traditional rally folks are not going to be pounding on the doors trying to get in, but that was happening," Taleghani said of a recent Trump event in nearby Franklin. "These people were there, they stood for hours in the rain, even if they couldn't get in, they were still trying to despite the fire marshal [saying the event was full]. When I say pounding, I'm talking pounding. They didn't want to miss out on this. That's something I just haven't seen a lot of."

The sense that Cruz and Trump are enjoying the most momentum comes in part because their supporters tend to be louder than some of the more business-oriented centrist Republicans who are interested in Rubio, suggested Haynes, the Tennessee GOP chair.

"A lot of their supporters are more vocal. It doesn't mean there's not significant support for other candidates," he said. "It's not that Rubio's people aren't enthusiastic, they're just not as expressive."

But outside of Nashville, in more conservative corners of Tennessee and certainly in Alabama, Cruz and Trump are notably gaining strength because of their hard-line stance on immigration, one policy area in which Rubio has a substantively more moderate record. Stylistically too, the no-compromise rhetoric of Cruz and Trump plays well.

"People in Alabama are generally considered to be very polite, with Southern manners, but they are also people who shoot pretty straight," said Jonathan Gray, a Mobile, Alabama-based GOP consultant who is currently unaligned and sees Rubio resonating in third place, after Trump and Cruz. "You're not going to have to guess where people stand. That's something people appreciate about Trump."

Cruz stressed in the news conference that he wants to run a "populist"campaign, mimicking an approach Trump has taken. The senator has so far taken a kid-glove approach to the national poll leader, expressing only the minimum level of disagreement with some of Trump's most controversial proposals, to the outrage of national Republicans who see that as a nakedly political move to position himself as a Trump alternative if and when the mogul's numbers go down.

But if Cruz won't directly criticize the person who looks to be his biggest competitor as the SEC primary nears, his supporters will.

"Trump opens his mouth too much," said Bonnie Austin, 47, of Leeds, Alabama, who saw Cruz at rally near Birmingham on Sunday. "Cruz will win Iowa, he'll also get Alabama. We're Christian, conservative and scared. Cruz is sincere, intelligent and a patriot."


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: 2016gopprimary; cruz; dixie; elections; immigration; redstates; southernvote; trump; trumpwasright

1 posted on 12/23/2015 11:43:10 AM PST by conservativejoy
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To: conservativejoy

Rubio won’t even N.H., and where will the pseudo-conservative trump get his first win?

the nom is cruz’s to lose


2 posted on 12/23/2015 11:48:49 AM PST by ghost of stonewall jackson (If they question why we died, tell them, because our fathers lied.)
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To: conservativejoy

Seeing Trump in Mississippi on January 2nd!


3 posted on 12/23/2015 11:53:43 AM PST by Sybeck1 (John Hardy Allen 10-6-44 - 11-23-15)
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To: conservativejoy
State by State poll breakdown prepared by BigEdLB..


4 posted on 12/23/2015 11:57:34 AM PST by entropy12 (Go Trump 2016! Born in America of two US Citizens! A real Natural Born Citizen!)
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To: Sybeck1

You are lucky! Trump is ignoring this state where I live...Washington State.


5 posted on 12/23/2015 11:59:04 AM PST by entropy12 (Go Trump 2016! Born in America of two US Citizens! A real Natural Born Citizen!)
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To: ghost of stonewall jackson

Cruz will win Iowa. So he will not strike out completely at zero unlike Bush. Cheer up!


6 posted on 12/23/2015 12:02:32 PM PST by entropy12 (Go Trump 2016! Born in America of two US Citizens! A real Natural Born Citizen!)
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To: entropy12

I agree. cruz wins iowa and S.C.


7 posted on 12/23/2015 12:04:21 PM PST by ghost of stonewall jackson (If they question why we died, tell them, because our fathers lied.)
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To: ghost of stonewall jackson
Romney never had crowds like this Trump Rally:


8 posted on 12/23/2015 12:04:59 PM PST by entropy12 (Go Trump 2016! Born in America of two US Citizens! A real Natural Born Citizen!)
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To: ghost of stonewall jackson

I am prepared to bet all the money in your pockets, that Trump wins SC. Are we on?


9 posted on 12/23/2015 12:06:25 PM PST by entropy12 (Go Trump 2016! Born in America of two US Citizens! A real Natural Born Citizen!)
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To: entropy12

absolutely, fellow patriot. I have 75 cents in my pockets.


10 posted on 12/23/2015 12:09:55 PM PST by ghost of stonewall jackson (If they question why we died, tell them, because our fathers lied.)
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To: entropy12

is cruz a “real Natural Born Citizen”?


11 posted on 12/23/2015 12:11:23 PM PST by ghost of stonewall jackson (If they question why we died, tell them, because our fathers lied.)
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To: ghost of stonewall jackson

Sorry. Cruz wins Iowa then hopefully goes to DC with Trump.


12 posted on 12/23/2015 12:13:38 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: ghost of stonewall jackson

That i do not know. May be SCOTUS has to get involved, because Hillary campaign will certainly make an issue. Cruz should produce a computer generated Hawaii birth certificate. That will eliminate any questions.


13 posted on 12/23/2015 12:14:10 PM PST by entropy12 (Go Trump 2016! Born in America of two US Citizens! A real Natural Born Citizen!)
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To: entropy12

the trump phenomenon is proof of the old adage, “there’s a sucker born every minute.”


14 posted on 12/23/2015 12:16:35 PM PST by ghost of stonewall jackson (If they question why we died, tell them, because our fathers lied.)
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To: ghost of stonewall jackson

Actually only one thing is driving Trump poll numbers.
Voters are tired of politicians who are dependent on rich donors. Every one running in 2016 depends on rich donors except Trump. What will finish Trump off is if he accepts campaign donations from his rich friends.


15 posted on 12/23/2015 12:19:08 PM PST by entropy12 (Go Trump 2016! Born in America of two US Citizens! A real Natural Born Citizen!)
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To: ghost of stonewall jackson

Trump will get his first win in Iowa, New Hampshire, or South Carolina. He may just win all three.

Underestimating Trump is a fool’s errand at this point.


16 posted on 12/23/2015 12:28:05 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: ghost of stonewall jackson; entropy12

I’ve coached a lot of young baseball players in my time. If the umpire is calling clearly outside pitches as strikes, we don’t need to argue about it, we just need to start swinging at them. If Obama is good, Cruz should be good.

I think Cruz has done a lot of research on this, and he’s obviously convinced he’s in good shape.


17 posted on 12/23/2015 1:00:35 PM PST by HeadOn (I've read the last chapter. We win.)
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To: HeadOn

Obama produced a Hawaii BC. That is the difference.
Both Cruz and Obama have one parent American citizen. That is the common item.


18 posted on 12/23/2015 1:50:01 PM PST by entropy12 (Go Trump 2016! Born in America of two US Citizen Parents! A true Natural Born Citizen!)
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To: ghost of stonewall jackson
Cruz was born to a foreign father in a foreign land. He is not even close to being a natural born Citizen.
19 posted on 12/23/2015 1:52:55 PM PST by Godebert
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To: conservativejoy
Everyone should keep in mind that ALL primaries and caucus up to March 15th will have their delegates awarded proportionately. If somebody wins 50% +1 in one of those states, they CAN count the state toward the minimum 8 wins to qualify for the nomination.

However, even if somebody wins 50 or 60%, their delegate count will be shared with the 11% guy.

The GOP did this to block a momentum candidate (grassroots, non-Jeb) from building a formidable early lead in the delegate count.

The thinking was if somebody racked up 100-150 delegates on March 1st, that would not drive sufficient funding or momentum to keep them in the race until CA on Jun 7th.

It IS possible for somebody to win the nomination with just 8 states: CA, PA, NY, NC, FL, OH, CO, AZ. In fact, those states alone nearly provide the minimum delegates of an outright win. And it's very, very expensive to play there.

The SEC Primaries will be of little significance to the nomination as it's designed to DISPERSE delegates throughout the field.

20 posted on 12/23/2015 2:01:30 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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