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Who really owns your Internet of Things data?
znet ^ | 01/11/2016 | Jo Best

Posted on 01/11/2016 1:06:11 PM PST by BenLurkin

In an Internet of Things future, everything from your toothbrush to your car could be collecting data on you -- about your personal habits as well as the way your business works. But with 50 billion objects set to come online by 2020, who will really own that goldmine of information?

Data gathered by IoT sensors and systems can pass through any number of hands -- those of the end-user that creates it, or of the company whose hardware collects it, even the software business the processes it, and the app maker that shares it, and all of them may want to claim rights over it...

According to law firm Taylor Wessing, end users don't really have ownership rights to the data gathered by off-the-shelf systems they've installed. If you've rolled out a smart home set-up, you can't legitimately claim that all the details about when you switched on your lights or opened your garage belong to you and you alone.

However, in Europe, companies that have spent time and money creating a fixed database that they can query could legitimately claim to have ownership of that data. If more than one company has had a hand in building that database, though, all may be able to claim ownership and then use it in their business contracts.

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TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: datacollection; internet; personaldata; yourthings
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1 posted on 01/11/2016 1:06:11 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

We have not hooked up our new dishwasher up to the Internet yet. Don’t plan on hooking it up. I don’t own a smart phone. So, I’m good. For now.


2 posted on 01/11/2016 1:09:40 PM PST by Slyfox (Ted Cruz does not need the presidency - the presidency needs Ted Cruz)
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To: BenLurkin

The only “things” at our house connected to the internet are a few computers and two iPhones. I plan to keep it that way.


3 posted on 01/11/2016 1:12:22 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: Slyfox

Yes but can you trust it not to connect itself behind you back? ;’}


4 posted on 01/11/2016 1:12:54 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Slyfox

Was reading a novel recently where the good guys got into the computer systems of the bad guy (who had computer security so impenetrable that it was thought that no one could hack past it) by getting into their smart thermostat.


5 posted on 01/11/2016 1:13:50 PM PST by Quality_Not_Quantity (Democrat Drinking Game - Every time they mention a new social program, chug someone else's beer.)
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To: Quality_Not_Quantity

>>Was reading a novel recently where the good guys got into the computer systems of the bad guy (who had computer security so impenetrable that it was thought that no one could hack past it) by getting into their smart thermostat.<<

They do that same nonsense on NCIS and Scorpion all the time. Not realistic.


6 posted on 01/11/2016 1:15:56 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Don't mistake my silence for ignorance, my calmness for acceptance, or my kindness for weakness)
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To: Slyfox
We have not hooked up our new dishwasher up to the Internet yet.

Beware of intelligent appliances:


7 posted on 01/11/2016 1:19:15 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Don't mistake my silence for ignorance, my calmness for acceptance, or my kindness for weakness)
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To: rockrr

If a repairman named HAL comes into my home ...


8 posted on 01/11/2016 1:21:44 PM PST by Slyfox (Ted Cruz does not need the presidency - the presidency needs Ted Cruz)
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To: BenLurkin
Ben and all - We US citizens don't even "own" our patient Healthcare data, as it's sold by data brokers among thousands of Healthcare affiliate entities. Personal Healthcare Information data brokering is a multi-Billion dollar a year business that in many instances is not subject to HIPAA privacy regulation. See: thedatamap.org , research and join: the Electronic Freedom Foundation and EPIC
9 posted on 01/11/2016 1:30:06 PM PST by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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But you plugged in that computer. Your electric company knows when and how much power you’re using. The phone company records every number coming and going. Your bank rats out your transactions. Your credit card sends out every transaction, too. Your grocery store tells who knows whom that you bought a carton of 12 count large eggs last week. Your doctor’s office tells the world you had some sort of funky rash last time you were in and the pharmacy blabbed what meds you picked up. And NSA has a record of a video images of you going through the drive thru for a glazed donut and cup of coffee. The library wouldn’t tell your wife what book you’d reserved but they have a record of everything you’ve ever checked out to be used against you when Big Brother comes knocking. Have you bought a new car in recent years or fell for that tracker to lower your insurance? And that email you sent out last week that mentioned your cousin died was spied on by someone because 5 seconds later you got an incoming email for burial insurance.


10 posted on 01/11/2016 1:30:17 PM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: Slyfox

The IoT relies on the false assumption that the majority of people will be willing to pay quite a bit more for items that perform mundane daily tasks in order to receive a minimal increase in functionality and the risk of collection of personal information.


11 posted on 01/11/2016 1:30:56 PM PST by CarmichaelPatriot
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To: bgill

BUT, my dishwasher will not turn me in. My computer might - BUT NOT MY DISHWASHER!!


12 posted on 01/11/2016 1:36:00 PM PST by Slyfox (Ted Cruz does not need the presidency - the presidency needs Ted Cruz)
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To: freedumb2003

That opinion is incorrect.
See following related info sec articles detailing security vulnerabilities in the widely used NEST smart thermostat.
Also remember that the Target data breach, one of nation’s most damaging incidents, was accomplished to Point of Sale systems via gaining network access through a HVAC network vulnerability.

How Hackers Could Use A Nest Thermostat As An Entry Point Into ...

www.forbes.com/ sites/ aarontilley/ 2015/ 03/ ... Proxy Highlight

Mar 6, 2015 ... Security researcher TrapX Security is showing off how hacking an ... The research is an example of the possible vulnerabilities we’re exposing ... it that would stop your thermostat data from being sent back to Nest’s servers.
Smart Nest Thermostat: A Smart Spy in Your Home - Black Hat

https://www.blackhat.com/ docs/ us-14/ materials/... Proxy Highlight

The Nest Thermostat is a smart home automation device that aims to learn a user’s ... security vulnerabilities similar to those found in other computer systems. ... and wearable devices collect usage information and other data and send it to a ...
Securing the Nest Thermostat - Schneier on Security

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/07/securi... Proxy Highlight

Jul 22, 2014 ... A group of hackers are using a vulnerability in the Nest thermostat to secure it against Nest’s remote data collection. Tags: Google, hacking ...
Digging Deeper Into Nest Security | Symantec Connect Community

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Jan 29, 2014 ... Bob Shaker’s compelling “Consider Security Before Building Your Nest” ... What other Nest smart home device vulnerabilities might be lurking in the ... Google has promised that Googlefying your Nest data will be 100% opt-in ...

RE: “...was thought that no one could hack past it) by getting into their smart thermostat.<<

They do that same nonsense on NCIS and Scorpion all the time. Not realistic.”


13 posted on 01/11/2016 1:39:28 PM PST by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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To: bgill

Good lord, you get it...

RE: But you plugged in that computer. Your electric company knows when and how much power you’re using. The phone company records every number coming and going. Your bank rats out your transactions. Your credit card sends out every transaction, too. Your grocery store tells who knows whom that you bought a carton of 12 count large eggs last week. Your doctor’s office tells the world you had some sort of funky rash last time you were in and the pharmacy blabbed what meds you picked up. And NSA has a record of a video images of you going through the drive thru for a glazed donut and cup of coffee. The library wouldn’t tell your wife what book you’d reserved but they have a record of everything you’ve ever checked out to be used against you when Big Brother comes knocking. Have you bought a new car in recent years or fell for that tracker to lower your insurance? And that email you sent out last week that mentioned your cousin died was spied on by someone because 5 seconds later you got an incoming email for burial insurance.


14 posted on 01/11/2016 1:48:12 PM PST by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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To: BenLurkin
My terlit told my fridge to order Lite beer and green leafy veggies.

They die at dawn.

15 posted on 01/11/2016 1:52:43 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: bgill

you bought a carton of 12 count large eggs last week.
= = =
That data was forwarded to the hen house.


16 posted on 01/11/2016 2:17:12 PM PST by Scrambler Bob
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To: Slyfox

my dishwasher will not turn me in.
=c=c=

What if they are granted amnesty????


17 posted on 01/11/2016 2:17:59 PM PST by Scrambler Bob
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To: BenLurkin

Scott McNealy


18 posted on 01/11/2016 2:20:18 PM PST by Darth Reardon (Is it any wonder I'm not the president?)
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To: Billthedrill

They die at dawn.
= = =

I’d try choking that terlit on an overdose of processed leafy green veggies.


19 posted on 01/11/2016 2:20:23 PM PST by Scrambler Bob
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To: Scrambler Bob
Amnesty? So it can report what kind of coffee I put into my coffeemaker?

Well, my son is a brainiac physicist and he does keep a post-it note over his iPad camera.

So ...

20 posted on 01/11/2016 2:28:31 PM PST by Slyfox (Ted Cruz does not need the presidency - the presidency needs Ted Cruz)
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