I’ve told you I believe Darwin now. Why won’t you accept that?
My conclusions from Darwin are the same conclusions made by much smarter people than both of us, and from mere logic.
The only illogical stance is yours.
You propose some sort of “supernatural” world which cannot be observed, measured, or scientifically analyzed.
So, as you have written, none of the rest of your “logic” follows.
Your proposed world is non-existent and belief of its existence is stupid. You can’t prove your extraordinary claim that such a world exists. Therefore, it doesn’t.
Claim louder. I’ll post Tinkerbell from “Peter Pan” every time you do, because https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6IKaLF4Fqc LOL!
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Such are possible scientific conclusions, but are hugely contradicted by the teachings of, for example, Christianity.
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So what. These “teachings” are invented delusions. Hallucinations. Mass hysteria. These are irrelevant. As they are stupid.
Science is not delusional, it is verifiable, measurable, and (most of all) believed by smart people who have worked very hard in it.
You are stupid. Darwin was smart. I believe Darwin.
You are, of course, free to believe whatever you wish, but your arguments are incoherent.
angryoldfatman: "My conclusions from Darwin are the same conclusions made by much smarter people than both of us, and from mere logic."
And disputed by many others just as smart, based on their own experiences & logic.
angryoldfatman: "You propose some sort of 'supernatural' world which cannot be observed, measured, or scientifically analyzed.
So, as you have written, none of the rest of your 'logic' follows."
In fact, throughout history it has been experienced, reported & recorded by many people, both great and average.
There's no objective reason to doubt such reports.
angryoldfatman: "Your proposed world is non-existent and belief of its existence is stupid."
So you say, but your opinion is disputed by many.
angryoldfatman: "Science is not delusional, it is verifiable, measurable, and (most of all) believed by smart people who have worked very hard in it."
All of modern science -- natural science -- is based on assumptions which can neither be proved nor demonstrated, including: 1) Only natural explanations for natural processes and 2) processes we see today acted the same in the distant past.
These are perfectly reasonable assumptions, but they are not demonstrable facts.
angryoldfatman: "You are stupid. Darwin was smart. I believe Darwin."
Believe whatever you wish, FRiend, but plenty of people just as smart as Darwin do not agree with your conclusions.
Darwin himself believed in God as Creator and law-giver, though his philosophically-natural assumptions ruled out the possibility, for Darwin, of miraculous Divine Interventions.
My view is that plenty-enough such interventions have been reported throughout history, indeed, in the lives of millions, that they cannot be ruled out categorically, and we should maintain an open mind, with humble spirit, for such events in our own lives.
Even when, or especially when, we reach the point in life where we each are reduced to the impotent raging of an angry old fat man.