Posted on 02/16/2016 8:43:51 PM PST by omegatoo
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical- presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date;
Clearly, there is no requirement for any forms to be filled out. Citizenship depends only on the circumstances of the birth.
There may be an argument that 'natural born' is not the same as 'citizen at birth', but please stop spreading false information that Cruz is not a citizen.
This same code would prove that Obama is NOT a citizen if he was born outside of the US. Being only 18 when Obama was born, it was impossible for his mother to have lived in the US for 5 years after reaching the age of 14. The current requirement is only 2 years, but that did not go into effect until 1986 and was NOT retroactive.
If you go here:
http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title8&edition=prelim ,
go to Section 1401 for current law. The history of the amendments is below the section.
Please. Cruz is only a citizen when Donald Trump FEELS like he is a citizen.
Exactly.
But did he serve in the Mobile Infantry?
Oh, you are being silly. The denizens of Free Republic will not be deterred by mere facts. They have Vattel and reams of Butterzillion threads to bolster their arguments. It’s twue, it’s twue.
Citizen =/= Natural Born citizen.
Congress has only power over naturalization. Cruz is a citizen via Congressional action. Ergo, Cruz was naturalized at birth.
To be a natural born citizen, two interpretations at time of founding fathers. 1) born to 2 Citizens on US land. 2) Must have US citizen father, since citizenship passes paternally.
Cruz fails both definitions.
Where is the term, in this Naturalization Act wording, “natural born citizen?”
That is exactly right.
And his citizenship “naturally” followed that of his mother. This is jus sanguinis (by blood). This is the principle out founders followed. They rejected British common law which made jus solis (by soil) the basis of being the king’s subject. It is based on The Law of Nations by Emer de Vattel.
Jus sanguinis is about the rights of citizens. Jus solis is about the rights of kings.
The first act of naturalization PROVES that the same founders who ratified the Constitution believed three things:
1. natural born citizenship is an issue within the purview of Congress
2. natural born citizenship may be conferred upon children born abroad
3. natural born citizenship is based primarily on the citizenship of the parents rather than the place of birth
Ah, Dude. Nobel effort. But the Trumpists have gone full Brown Shirt on us. Reason is to frightening and it doesn’t satisfy their blind rage. All we had to do is hold the line in order to restore Rule of Law, but they broke ranks and fled.
Honestly, this nation is dead. We are no longer willing to muster the discipline to self rule, so we will be ruled.
There are only two kinds of citizenship: natural born and naturalized. The Constitution only identifies these two.
So what part of the act calls Cruz “naturalized”.
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(left it off)
Well, if the US Code says that, then the US Code is wrong, lying, dishonest, and obviously out to get Trump. It looks like Trump will just have to sue the US Code if it doesn’t stop lying about what it says.
“Congress has only power over naturalization. Cruz is a citizen via Congressional action. Ergo, Cruz was naturalized at birth.”
Your statement could only be true if the first act of naturalization in 1790 was unconstitutional. Not one founder ever uttered a single word to indicate in the slightest that anything about this act was amiss. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.
So the founders did not hold your opinion. Even if you are right, and they misunderstood the meaning of their own words, I will gladly be wrong in their company.
A “natural born citizen” is a citizen “by nature” not by statute. So if your argument about natural born citizenship makes reference to a statute, that’s a clue that you’re on the wrong track.
I made no such argument. There are many on this forum and elsewhere stating categorically that Cruz is not a citizen. This is proof that they are wrong.
Whether every 'citizen at birth' is also a 'natural born citizen' and therefore eligible for the presidency is an entirely different question which I specifically stated was not addressed by this information.
Love,
O2
“By your logic, osama bin loden’s son who was born and raised in Pakistan to a mother of dual US/Pakistani citizenship is eligible to be POTUS.”
While we’re on the subject of logic, you are using the logical fallacy of “appeal to consequences”.
Are you saying that the same son would be eligible if he was born here and Osama had naturalized?
Is the “natural born citizen” clause a guarantee that Congress cannot enact stupid laws or that voters cannot elect a bad president?
If Obama is truly a natural born citizen, would that make his acts as president less repugnant?
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