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When Trump Blamed Pamela Geller For Inciting Violence
American Thinker ^ | March 15, 2016 | Daniel John Sobieski

Posted on 03/15/2016 8:11:01 AM PDT by raptor22

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To: raptor22

To provide disclosure:
1. Trump is not my preferred candidate.
2. I fully supported Geller’s event.
The article failed to distinguish important differences between Trump’s words and
Geller’s event. Trumps criticisms of Islam refer to its use of violence and terrorism, and the need to carefully screen all immigrants. He has never mocked the religion in an obvious taunt.
Also, as a businessman, he would be much more pragmatic in any public event as far as inviting violence. Geller knew her event could end in violence; she was showing the violent tendencies of Islam.
Finally, as a politician, Trump would be much more conscious of the Constitution and its protections.


41 posted on 03/15/2016 8:26:29 AM PDT by budj (beam me up, scotty...)
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To: raptor22

He didn’t attempt to stop her free speech.

...you lying douche!


42 posted on 03/15/2016 8:26:29 AM PDT by bramps (It's the Islam, stupid!)
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To: raptor22

I did not read or hear Trump’s comment regarding Pam Geller’s poke at Islam but Geller did stir the Muzzies. Was that wrong? No and I doubt that Trump said it was. To mock a goat shagger is your right in this country. The Constitution does not ban “fighting words.”


43 posted on 03/15/2016 8:26:42 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: catfish1957
Trump was also quoted to say that the Confederate Battle Flag should only be in a museum. That’s real pro first amendment talk too huh?

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This is the party of Lincoln and the USA not the CSA. You want to fly the Confederate flag as an official govt flag then join the party it belongs to - the Democrats.

44 posted on 03/15/2016 8:27:19 AM PDT by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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To: raptor22

WATCH: @TedCruz introduced by man minutes before he called for execution of homosexuals

Ted is done!#OhioPrimaryhttps://t.co/doD1K8PCNQ— Jared Wyand(@JaredWyand) March 14, 2016

45 posted on 03/15/2016 8:27:26 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: bramps

“He didn’t attempt to stop her free speech.”

Bam!


46 posted on 03/15/2016 8:28:27 AM PDT by AuntB (Trump right on Trade, Immigration, Terrorism,Economy, 2nd amend. Without them, we are lost.)
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To: Trumpinator

Rather than deflect, why don’t you answer the question?


47 posted on 03/15/2016 8:28:49 AM PDT by catfish1957 (I display the Confederate Battle Flag with pride in honor of my brave ancestors who fought w/ valor)
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To: raptor22

8 more hours and the Creep Ship Ted, sinks into the ocean of slimyness.


48 posted on 03/15/2016 8:28:51 AM PDT by heights
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To: Leaning Right

Criticizing someone’s action IS free speech
Trump did not approve of Geller’s provocation and said so
Far cry from blaming her for muslim intolerance

He has nothing to apologize for
It is doubtful his opinion has changed and he was free to express it

Since he’s obviously not a muslim appeaser it will be interesting to see what his approach is to dealing with muslim anger and militancy
It won’t be by staging provocations


49 posted on 03/15/2016 8:30:03 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: FreeReign

Sorry, but no.


50 posted on 03/15/2016 8:30:06 AM PDT by Rustybucket
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To: BigBobber

I will. Allow me to turn this around. After the heat of Gellars gathering, Cruz rightly placed blame on the source of the problem. At this time it was politically expedient and scored him points. When the time came to rightly blame the moveon/BLM protesters, Cruz again chose the political expedient route and opted to blame Trump this time so that he could hang his hat on this issue. Consistently expedient.


51 posted on 03/15/2016 8:30:23 AM PDT by stratboy
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To: catfish1957

The flag is flying as an official govt flag is not a free speech issue. The Republican party fought to destroy that flag and all it stands for. You don’t like being in the party of Lincoln, then leave.


52 posted on 03/15/2016 8:30:57 AM PDT by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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To: Rustybucket
just look at how inflammatory and In-your-face challenging it is to sponsor a draw Mohammad contest to the Muslim community

Be careful there, FRiend. Because that's an extremely slippery slope. If that argument is accepted, think how easy it would be for other things to be classified as "inflammatory". That's how those terrible "hate laws" have come to be in other countries.

53 posted on 03/15/2016 8:32:40 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: raptor22

Donald did not set out to PURPOSEFULLY to provoke anyone other than those candidates, media and notables who have attacked him.

Geller set out PURPOSEFULLY to provoke Muslims.

Big difference.

I actually agree with what Geller was doing but it doesn’t make this comparison valid. It is a false comparison. Shows that Sobieski is not smart and is grabbing for any mud that can be slung at Trump.


54 posted on 03/15/2016 8:33:30 AM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: raptor22

Back then Megan Kelly defended Pamela Gellar against Trump attack on free speech
Now Megan Kelly attack Trump’s free speech for inciting violence

Trump is not the only one that is hypocritical


55 posted on 03/15/2016 8:33:46 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: silverleaf

She basically dared the terrorists to do violence to her only because they were determined to do so anyway and she stood up to that. but that doesn’t make her Wrong. She was not going to relent her rights no matter what they were going to do to her.

Trumps situation is that he knows he is in danger and as much as he doesn’t want to instigate anyone, he knows he is inasmuch as those who want to stop him are determined to do violence anyway. But he also knows we need to change the direction of the country and that he is basically the only one who can lead that change. So he gets up there every day and talks about it.

Either way, the bad guys are not Pam or a Trump, it’s the people that have got nothing but violence to stop people like you and me from changing this country.


56 posted on 03/15/2016 8:35:09 AM PDT by uncitizen (Never back down! Never surrender!)
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To: silverleaf
Trump did not blame her. He criticized her and disagreed with her tactic Big difference

No, not at all.

Trump didn't criticize the jihadists. At least Cruz criticized the protestors. Trump did criticize Geller for taunting the poor jihadists.

Very similar circumstance to what happened in Chicago.

At lease some Trump supporters aren't making excuses for this. But not you.

57 posted on 03/15/2016 8:35:55 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Trumpinator

“Comment taken out of context.”

Really? Here’s the comment:

On May 4 of this year, Trump tweeted: “The U.S. has enough problems without publicity seekers going out and openly mocking religion in order to provoke attacks and death. BE SMART.”

So what is “out of context?”


58 posted on 03/15/2016 8:36:23 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Breathe, Donald.... Breathe.)
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To: Trumpinator

You still didn’t answer the question around Trump’s anti 1st amendment stance saying it should ONLY be in a museum. Is this a hypocritic infringement of those us who choose to honor our ancestors who fought for that flag? This time don’t give a deflective response and answer the question


59 posted on 03/15/2016 8:36:54 AM PDT by catfish1957 (I display the Confederate Battle Flag with pride in honor of my brave ancestors who fought w/ valor)
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To: bramps
He didn’t attempt to stop her free speech. ...you lying douche!

I'll bet you feel like punching somebody in the face, don't you...................

60 posted on 03/15/2016 8:36:58 AM PDT by cowboyway (TEOTWAWKI and I feel fine...........)
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