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For those interested in the topic, this is a long and thoughtful article. Here are the 5 ways mentioned in the title:

1938: Stalin doesn’t kill all the smart Communists
1947: Truman loses his nerve
1976: Operation RED DAWN
1979: Lenin stays out of the jungles
1988: The China Syndrome

1 posted on 12/24/2016 7:58:23 AM PST by Leaning Right
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To: Leaning Right

Easy. Jimmy Carter wins instead of Ronald Reagan.


2 posted on 12/24/2016 7:59:49 AM PST by Defiant (The media is the colostomy bag where truth goes after democrats digest it.)
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To: Leaning Right

Imo, the only hope Soviet Union had to exist intact for the long haul was to not be communist in the first place.

The entire ideology is contrary to human nature and has always failed because it is a concept that can not succeed.


3 posted on 12/24/2016 8:01:49 AM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Leaning Right

An interesting ‘what if’ would be FDR serving a full 4th term and perhaps Henry Wallace (a flaming Red) succeeding him.

This would have meant an extremrly pro-Soviet US foreign policy after WW2. Truman turned fully against Stalin in 1947... also thanks to men like George Kennan. FDR snd Wallace would have helped Stalin spread his red Empire in even more countries and barely contained him. Iran, Turkey, Greece, Italy and also France were quite at risk back then.


5 posted on 12/24/2016 8:05:54 AM PST by SolidWood
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To: Leaning Right; colorado tanker; Hebrews 11:6
1938: Stalin doesn’t kill all the smart Communists.

Stopped reading right there. This premise violates "henkster's Law of Alternate History." Henkster's Law states that an alternate history is not valid if it requires people or nations to act substantially out of character. In this scenario, it requires Stalin to not be Stalin. Therefore, it isn't valid.

6 posted on 12/24/2016 8:06:02 AM PST by henkster
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To: Leaning Right

Who’s to say they didn’t? After all, they symbolically voted themselves out of existence in 1991, which isn’t the same as being conquered and communism extirpated. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is still the second-largest political party in Russia after United Russia; there are other far-left parties in the Duma such as “A Just Russia” (social democrats, as the precursor to the CPSU was under Lenin) and “Communists of Russia”.

Never mind the radical changes that have happened right here in the USA, all due to politicians filled with doctrine straight out of the USSR’s Kremlin.


7 posted on 12/24/2016 8:08:31 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Leaning Right

They would have survived if we had not stopped subsidizing them.


9 posted on 12/24/2016 8:09:40 AM PST by SeeSharp
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To: Leaning Right
once again face enemies overseas dedicated to the destruction of our ideas and values. They are not as dangerous as the old Soviet Union, but they are just as committed to our destruction. Fortunately for us, we've faced worse—and prevailed.

I think the more interesting question was whether the American Republic could survive winning the cold war. Under Clinton/Bush/Obama, we nearly didn't and another Clinton administration would have ended it.

The path down-hill started with Clinton and Algores "Reinventing Government" which was the start of the effort to privatize government operations - and the bottm feeders showed up in D.C. pretty quickly to try to buy off pieces at 3 cents on the dollar. BushII/Cheney just continued that trend with our "private" war in the Middle East and DHS and all of its contractors. The result - a swath of highrises around the D.C. Beltway to house the corrupt cronies when they are not at home in their McClean VA and Potomac MD mansions.

Now we are on a path to recovery. But we have to DTS. Countries always rot from the inside out. We were in a race to the bottom with the Soviet Union. They augered in first.

10 posted on 12/24/2016 8:10:51 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Leaning Right

Not have started it...


15 posted on 12/24/2016 8:15:49 AM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Leaning Right

It’s really an exercise in mental masturbation. Liberals like to do it with their wet dream scenarios like the erstwhile “West Wing,” “Madam Secretary,” that short one with Sigourney Weaver, and all the other liberal trash shows.

Until somebody invents a time machine and can go back and really do something about ‘history,’ it is IMMUTABLE. Diversions otherwise are pointless.


18 posted on 12/24/2016 8:30:23 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Leaning Right

Senator Joe McCarthy doesn’t flush all the commies out of the State Department and other agencies


21 posted on 12/24/2016 8:38:27 AM PST by uncbob
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To: Leaning Right
The absence of a well defined global adversary, like the one the old USSR provided the west during the post WWII era ending in the 1990's, has allowed the globalist NWO cabal to run rough shod over borders in an attempt to make the world economy itself global, post political and state-less. This has caused the west to de industrialize and push it towards the left politically. It is ironic that now if Russia and China so desired, together they could out produce the west in both military and consumer goods. A Sino-Russo pact would be devastating.

A de industrialized USA is helpless in the long run.

32 posted on 12/24/2016 9:01:16 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Leaning Right
I don't believe that Trotsky, or Kirov or Bukharin could have saved the Soviet Union, because the USSR was based on a lie at its very foundation.

Red China is based on the same lie, and it's thriving.

34 posted on 12/24/2016 9:05:57 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Leaning Right

The latest re-invention of commiescumism is the SJW/PCist ineptocracy.


39 posted on 12/24/2016 9:41:14 AM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Leaning Right
I thought the Soviet Union did win the Cold War? They ended up capturing most of the Western Mainstream Media and Western government departments including state education.
Their victory hasn't been complete, of course, viz Reagan, Putin, and now Trump (thank heavens).
40 posted on 12/24/2016 9:42:50 AM PST by Mr Radical (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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To: Leaning Right

Lenin’s dad runs to the drugstore


43 posted on 12/24/2016 9:52:53 AM PST by bigbob (We have better coverage than Verizon - Can You Hear Us Now?)
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To: Leaning Right

But we had Reagan. They didn’t.


52 posted on 12/24/2016 11:31:27 AM PST by Savage Beast ( "You can--in fact must--shout 'Fire!' in a crowded theater. It just has to be the truth. J Goldberg)
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To: Leaning Right
1976: Operation RED DAWN

The time period from 1976-1980 was their last best shot at expanding communism.

Our military was weak and hollowed out after Vietnam. We had a feckless leader in the WH. Our European allies, save England, would have abandoned NATO.

I well remember the concern that the Ruskies were winning and we were losing.

When they invaded Afghanistan I thought it was a precursor to invading Iran.

Imagine the world scene if that'd happened!

53 posted on 12/24/2016 11:40:52 AM PST by ealgeone
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