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Classical (Music) so white and male: Time is overdue for diversity
SF Chronicle ^ | 3-7-2017 | Joshua Kosman

Posted on 03/08/2017 7:45:45 PM PST by brucedickinson

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To: Fiji Hill

The best classical style music being produced over the last forty or so years has been for movie soundtracks.

John Williams, Basil Poledouris, James Horner, Jerry Goldsmith, Alan Silvestri, etc.


81 posted on 03/09/2017 7:39:15 AM PST by yuleeyahoo (Those are my principles, and if you do not like them...well I have others. - Groucho Marx)
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To: yuleeyahoo

Don’t forget Elmer Bernstein. His background score for “Animal House” is one of the best things about the movie.


82 posted on 03/09/2017 7:44:59 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: ADemocratNoMore

You’d be surprised at how many Jazz artists actually took a stab at composing symphonies. Mingus wrote “Epitaph”, Ornette Coleman did “Skies of America”, just to mention a few.


83 posted on 03/09/2017 7:46:57 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: brucedickinson
Many years ago I saw an interview with an Oriental* conductor who opined that the composers of "classical music" were primarily Europeans because of the keyboard and its ready translation to written music.

* I used the word "Oriental" rather than "Asian" to distinguish him from those of the sub-continent, SE Asia, etc. If it offends anyone...too damned bad.

84 posted on 03/09/2017 8:01:14 AM PST by Roccus (When you talk to a politician...ANY politician...always say, "Remember Ceausescu")
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To: left that other site

When I was a teenager I got to hear the Houston Symphony which came to our little town. Though not an elite group the Symphony was good enough to excite me and bring me into a life-long love of classical music.
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When I came to Chicago for school one of the reasons was that I wanted to hear Fritz Reiner conduct. Unfortunately, he died before I arrived but I still went to many concerts with the CSO buying cheap tickets to sit in the gallery. In the period after my marriage I did not get to attend much but that picked up some after I retired. Hopefully, my health improves enough that I can go some more.

Here we have three orchestras: the CSO, the Civic and the Grant Park Orchestras. The first is the world’s greatest band. The second is composed of young musicians (it is called the “training orchestra for the CSO) and plays free concerts across the city. The third plays free concerts in the Park during the summer three or four times a week. There is, of course, the Lyric Opera’s orchestra as well. All play excellently and even the worse is as good as those not in the top tier across the nation.


85 posted on 03/09/2017 11:52:08 AM PST by arrogantsob (Check out "CHAOS AND MAYHEM" at Amazon.com.)
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To: arrogantsob

You had a great experience with the CSO. Philadelphia had a wonderful orchestra with Eugene Ormandy, and of Course Boston had TWO great orchestras both based in Symphony Hall, the BSO and the POPS.


86 posted on 03/09/2017 12:22:24 PM PST by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: Fiji Hill
Is any good classical music even being composed today? It seems the world has been without a first-rate classical composer since Igor Stravinsky died in 1971.

That is the main and unfortunate reason why classical music is fading - classical compositions worth listening to are museum pieces from centuries past. Most contemporary "classical" music is the sound equivalent of abstract expressionist art: a collection of gimmicks like rolling dice to pick notes or playing the same note or chord over and over again for hundreds of measures.

87 posted on 03/09/2017 1:51:26 PM PST by ek_hornbeck
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Most contemporary "classical" music is the sound equivalent of abstract expressionist art...

So true. I have heard some that sounded like an orchestra tuning up with a lot of intentional dissonance and then somebody played the sound of a trash can full of glass and silverware tumbling down a staircase. Music deconstructed and destroyed. What's even worse, somebody convinced an orchestra to "play" it.

88 posted on 03/09/2017 2:01:48 PM PST by DeFault User
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To: brucedickinson
Yes, enough of them white dudes:

Sarah Chang - Massenet - Meditation from Thais

CRAZY ENCORE BY YUJA WANG! Turkish March (Mozart/Volodos/Say) Carnegie Hall

89 posted on 03/09/2017 2:03:53 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: Little Pig
Classical music is the White Man’s music, and nothing is going to change that.

It's not a piece of real estate.

If most of the people playing it are Asian and female, it becomes their music as much as anybody else's.

90 posted on 03/09/2017 2:10:50 PM PST by x
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To: nwrep

“There is one big difference between Western and Eastern musical traditions.

Harmony.

Western music has the world’s only tradition of harmony, discovered, nurtured, and perfected in the West, culminating in the tradition of Bach-Mozart-Beethoven.”

On the topic of harmony, I have recently been listening to various Baroque composers, and I came across the music of a French composer by the name of Jean-Philippe Rameau. It turns out that he was a renowned music theorist as well as a composer, and much of what he wrote was on harmony. His system of harmony is the basis of most 20th-century harmony textbooks. And his music, to me, is stunning in its use of harmony as well as rhythm. I think that his orchestral compositions for opera and ballet are some of the best ever written. As an example of his superb use of harmony, please listen to Rameau’s beautiful “Entree de Polymnie.”


91 posted on 03/09/2017 2:27:14 PM PST by Texan Tory
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To: x

I should have been clearer. I should have said: Classical music is a product of white/western culture, and no amount of finagling and redefining composers and periods is going to change that.

So far, whites have not had a problem with people from other cultures learning and performing classical music. All this talk about “cultural appropriation” might drive some folks to change their mind about that.


92 posted on 03/09/2017 3:52:29 PM PST by Little Pig
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To: BigEdLB

The 2nd piece down says “calassial” and the third piece down says “classsical.”

Nice music, though!


93 posted on 03/10/2017 10:57:43 PM PST by Sir_Ed
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