Posted on 05/14/2017 8:30:57 AM PDT by hardspunned
The point was even ground zero can recover faster than many believe.
Nuclear winter, I first heard about that back in the day and the anti-nuke Carl Sagan was pushing that end-of-world idea.
Heard counter-argument that the winter would require all devices be detonated evenly around the globe, too include over the oceans.
“I guess for you to prove me wrong, would have ol’ Nork Fatboy let one loose on us all, no?”
It’s pretty juvenile to think being right or wrong means sacrificing national security.
“I know what the military knows. “
No, you don’t. Far from it. You’ve been nothing but a “Look at Me!” nerd since this topic hit FR.
“Folks on this forum have legitimate concern. I do my best to help. You are not helpful at all”
No, they listen to the likes of you that claim it is real and anyone not agreeing with you...well, you’re not any different than the globull warming freaks using the topic to get attention and denouncing anyone that doesn’t agree with you.
Totally agree. 4 wheel drive is great in the snow, but I don’t think I need an 8” lift and macho bumper stickers on my beater 4 wheeler to get through any snow. Funny how EMP is the topic of the same 4 wheeler crowd.
“Rand corporation... 90% of Americans will die within 2 years after grid dysfunction. I suppose you are feeling lucky.”
Yes, I am feeling lucky that I didn’t give the Rand Corporation any of my money to produce their junk.
Rand is a think tank, nothing more. Little that comes out of there is of any scientific use. They are a what-if company, not a results driven scientific community partner.
However, they are great at getting public grant money. They’ll conclude anything you want for the right price.
“Film cameras and vacuum tube based electronics.”
Which would definitively be susceptible to overvoltage conditions. Seemed to work though. Capacitors, inductors, diodes, et al., were around then, and they worked just fine too.
“Rand corporation”
The same company that supported the Ozone Hole and globull warming. Again, they’ll conclude anything you want for the right price.
Did you even try to read the document link I sent you the other day?
I’m not bragging that I’m right at all, it’s just that you are so wrong that it looks like I’m bragging.
“No, they listen to the likes of you that claim it is real”
I provide research,papers, sources and a wealth of experience with electromagnetic shielding. What do you have? You’ve provided no source information, just empty blather. Why?
Now quit whining and learn something. I’ll help you learn the topic.
I was in the power industry. There was a LOT of fixing of SCADA and control systems from 1995 to 1999. The reason nothing happened is the industry pros managed the problem BEFORE it hit. There is nothing like knowing precisely what a problem will hit to afford the luxury of long-lead remediation planning.
Y2K is a very poor analogy for an EMP attack from a bad actor intent on destroying the U.S. no matter the outcome for him.
The marauding gangs will hit you before you consume your stored food.
Not if I eat it first.
;-)
Problem is that the government or someone else will confiscate any running vehicles. You will attract evil people - lots of them.
No offense... really... but you have your head up your ass.
Bursts over the ocean would not create the problem as they would not provide the soot that fuels the cause.
It was within the early 1980s that the climate effects of soot from fires, was “chanced upon” and became the new focus of the climatic effects of “nuclear war”. In these modelled scenarios, various “soot cloud” events, containing uncertain quantities of soot, were assumed to form over cities, oil refineries, and the more rural missile silos. Once the quantity of soot is decided upon by the researchers, the climate effects of these soot clouds are then modeled. The term “nuclear winter” was specifically coined in 1983 by Richard P. Turco to refer to computer model results where this soot/smoke remained in the air for almost a year, and during this time it caused monumentally severe planet-wide temperature drops (”winters”)
The climate models suggest that the ignition of 100 firestorms, comparable in intensity to that observed in Hiroshima in 1945, at 15 kil, would produce a “small” nuclear winter. The burning of these firestorms would result in the injection of soot (specifically black carbon) into the Earth’s stratosphere, producing an anti-greenhouse effect that lowers the Earth’s surface temperature. The severity of this cooling, in Alan Robock’s model suggests that the cumulative products of 100 of these firestorms would unmistakably cool the global climate largely eliminating the magnitude of anthropogenic global warming for two to three years. Robock has not modeled, but speculated, that this would have global agricultural losses as a consequence.
A much larger number of firestorms, in the thousands, was the initial assumption of the computer modelers who coined the term in the 1980s. These were speculated to be a result of any large scale employment of city airbursting nuclear weapon used during an American-Soviet total war. And the Russian product is far bigger than our 15,000 kil bursts which, again, was a 1000 times greater than the Hiroshima blast. This larger number of firestorms, which are not, in themselves, modeled, are presented as causing nuclear winter conditions as a result of the smoke inputted into various climate models, with the depths of severe cooling lasting for as long as a decade in core agricultural regions of the US, Europe, and China, and in Russia. This cooling was produced due to a 99% reduction in the natural solar radiation reaching the surface of the planet in the first few years, gradually clearing over several decades. And by that time, there would be no vegetation or animals left on the surface due to starvation or nuclear poisoning. Nor would there be anything to consume by the survivors that climbed out of shelters if they could last “several decades” underground. Probably not with no water and not near enough food.
rwood
I have seen metal conduit blown out of walls by a direct lighting strike. Nothing man can make beats nature on a rant. However that said a nuke close enough to match that EMP is on your front porch.
Nobody wins.
Cars are very EMP proof however as they are built for a very noisy electrical environment what with the spark plugs firing off, and are pretty well shielded as most of the wiring is surrounded by steel.
In most snow conditions, I prefer front wheel drive cars.
I commuted for 25 years from northern to southern New Hampshire through Franconia Notch.
In really bad conditions, Grand Cherokee (not lifted) with traction control and anti lock brakes was my favorite.
One day, drove on South Arm road on the east side of Richardson Lake in Maine on logging roads on glare ice with an inch of snow on the ice. With studded snow tires, traction control and anti lock brakes it never slipped.
I have never owned a lifted vehicle as my two EMP hardened German Army Mercedes Benz Unimogs in stock form have around 20 inches of clearance at the diffs and 4 feet total suspension travel.
The 404 radio van has 42" tires and my U1300L has 46 inch 15.50 20s.
Having taught chemical-biological-nuclear warfare survival in the USAF, being an electronics technician and a ham radio operator, and having an interest in the topic, I have a smattering of knowledge about it.
I have protected most of my comm gear, power tools, and generators from EMP.
I have 24 volt fuel pumps to get fuel from gas stations.
Am presently working on protecting the rest of my stuff from EMP.
Have given talks before ham radio clubs on EMP protection.
RFEngineer pretty much nails it.
I happen to not ground any of my shielding of equipment.
There is discussion of which is better, grounding the shielding material or not.
If there is an EMP, we will then know for sure afterwards.
I think non grounding is better, I hope I am right.
I suppose to be sure, I should ground half of my stuff.
I used to think most Freepers were a technologically savvy group, or at least interested in learning.
Oh well. So much for that.
Should an EMP event happen, nuclear or from the sun, say a nuke designed for an EMP over the center of the USA, about 500 Km up, Mexico, Canada and the USA will be crippled.
Almost no electricity available, planes, trains and automobiles mostly inoperable, refineries, farm tractors, trucks, ordering systems, financial systems, GPS, etc., useless.
I am no expert on this subject, but I have read a lot of what those who are have written.
The possibility within the next 50 years of this happening is high, be it natural or man made, or both.
So explain, not complain...
4x4 only is better than FWD when snow exceeds 8” on road surface and that happens like how often ?
but yeah
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