Nixon talking about IQ tests and other things (1971 Conversation with Daniel Patrick Moynihan)

Youtube ^ | 5-14-2017 | Kevin Afton

[brucedickinson]

This Conversation recorded in 1971 between President Nixon and his advisor Daniel Patrick Moynihan focuses on an article read by the two men regarding IQ. Nixon was preparing to "close the gap" between high-performing and low-performing students in schools (which has cost billions) and wanted to have as much information before he made his decision.

The two men, in the recording do use the slur "eskimos" to refer to Jewish folk, but only in the sense that they say "eskimos" have a higher IQ than Caucasians, so not much of a slur.

I just love listening to recordings like this, they remind me of what must be in the Vatican Archives-- the ltters between monarchs and Popes through the centuries: the real history of the world.

[brucedickinson]

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This Conversation recorded in 1971 between President Nixon and his advisor Daniel Patrick Moynihan focuses on an article read by the two men regarding IQ. Nixon was preparing to "close the gap" between high-performing and low-performing students in schools (which has cost billions) and wanted to have as much information before he made his decision.

The two men, in the recording do use the slur "eskimos" to refer to Jewish folk, but only in the sense that they say "eskimos" have a higher IQ than Caucasians, so not much of a slur.

I just love listening to recordings like this, they remind me of what must be in the Vatican Archives-- Among other treasures, the letters between monarchs and Popes through the centuries: the real history of the world.

[Snickering Hound]

Wait, what?

[BenLurkin]

Watch out where the huskies go.

[jjotto]

...Ooga ooga mooska, which means that I love you
If you’ll be my baby, I’ll ooga ooga mooska you
Then I take her hand in mine and set her on my knee
The squaws along the Yukon are good enough for me...

[brucedickinson]

I honestly don’t care about her IQ

[House Atreides]

She’s definitely NOT GUILTY of having a low IQ — I can just tell and nobody will convince me otherwise. So .... definitely high IQ.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

Daniel Pat was the last loyal American Democrat.

[brucedickinson]

You can hear in the audio that he’s treating Nixon with great respect. Everything is so different today.

[bgill]

high-performing and low-performing students

That has more to do with parental involvement and motivation than IQ.

[boop]

Nixon has to be one of the most intelligent Presidents we've had.

He knows every country, the leadership, its history, where they are successful or having a "hell of a time" governing.

Then switches to knowing what LBJ was doing, and why it failed.

Then into the sociology of the time, hints at political correctness and how it ruins everything.

He has an incredible knowledge base.

I wish I'd met him.

He must have been fascinating to talk with.

[Albion Wilde]

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[21twelve]

An interesting point is that the other students are the primary motivating factor to raising the weaker student’s learning. Not the teachers, and the not the money pouring into the schools. (I would beg to differ that the teachers make a HUGE difference - at least in my kid’s schools).

But the majority of the kids need to be the middle-class kids, and the weaker kids (blacks, hispanics, etc.) need to be in the minority - or it brings every one down.

Of course now with the Liberal snowflakes it doesn’t matter black or brown or whatever in the Universities anymore.

While I’m writing, Nixon is talking about how the various countries have their own way of governing that is probably the best way for some of their countries (Thailand, the Shah of Iran, etc...) I recall a book he wrote after he was out of office where he was talking about the next 10 to 20 years or whatever, and what the issues would be.

He wrote about the inevitable collapse of Russia (before it happened), he talked about the increasing importance of the Middle East, China, etc.

[21twelve]

Moynihan asks to talk later about Pakistan - that he is really concerned about it.

Nixon replies something like “Yeah - that’s a big deal. But don’t only talk to the Indians - they’re a bunch of salesmen.”

[21twelve]

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1973/01/13/i-income-by-right

At the end of the conversation, Moynihan talks about a three-part article in the New Yorker about Nixon’s Family Assistance Plan (included a work element to get benefits but was never passed). Above is the first part.

[Albion Wilde]

That was fascinating on many levels; good and bad. Thanks for posting.

[Moonman62]

I think I read that Nixon, himself had a very high IQ.

[boop]

"I think I read that Nixon, himself had a very high IQ."

He clearly did.

It seemed like he knew a lot about just about everything.

I saw an old interview with Larry King, where King asked questions about geopolitics, the current state of America, economic policy, etc.

Then out of nowhere started asking Nixon about baseball.

Nixon knew the starting lineups of several teams, knew what they were doing, who was "good" and who to watch in the future.

King is a big baseball fan, and seemed taken aback at Nixon's depth of knowledge.

Nixon clearly read just about everything in print, and had a well-informed opinion to share.

Nixon didn't even hem and haw, looking for an answer.

He knew his stuff.

[Moonman62]

Thanks. That reminded of Nixon calling Don Shula to give him advice for the Super Bowl in 1972.

http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1972/01/04/page/44/article/phone-call-from-nixon-cheers-shula

[boop]

That is great!

And Nixon was right.