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To: BroJoeK

Nobody today talks about the old “spontaneous generation”, but complex chemistry is seen to evolve naturally and that has lead to much new research.


Exactly, it was just renamed. It is still trying to prove spontaneous generation.

And yes, new research than continues to prove life begets life. Your so called chemistry is under highly controlled lab conditions that don’t exist in nature. and your chemical reactions independent of multiple systems goes no where.

So tell me why it is so offensive to live with scientific results that life begets life?

Once you accept this result then you can be a real scientist like George Washington Carver:

When I was young, I said to God, ‘God, tell me the mystery of the universe.’ But God answered, ‘That knowledge is for me alone.’ So I said, ‘God, tell me the mystery of the peanut.’ Then God said, ‘Well George, that’s more nearly your size.’ And he told me.


31 posted on 05/21/2017 3:53:48 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: PeterPrinciple
PeterPrinciple: "Exactly, it was just renamed.
It is still trying to prove spontaneous generation."

In your first sentence here you may have inadvertently recognized the power of word definitions.
In this case the question: what exactly is life?

Is a virus alive? I think not in any ordinary sense.
What about the prions which cause Mad Cow disease?
Certainly not, yes, it's complex organic chemistry to be sure, but not alive in our ordinary sense of that term.

So the question is, can complex organic chemistry evolve enough life-like features for us to classify it as living?

Of course, if you reject the very idea of evolution then necessarily your answer will be "no".
But much of today's speculations revolve around how that might have happened.
Yes, it's all speculation -- hypotheses, not theories, much less observed facts.
But it's pretty interesting stuff, I think, and we learn much from it.

The two books I posted are just two among many others you'll find in my link to Amazon.com.

PeterPrinciple: "And yes, new research than continues to prove life begets life.
Your so called chemistry is under highly controlled lab conditions that don’t exist in nature.
and your chemical reactions independent of multiple systems goes no where."

What recent experiments show is that under certain natural conditions, such as those expected in early Earth, organic chemistry will "complexify" (I hate that word, but what other is there?), meaning grow larger and more feature rich.
Yes, many, many "complexifications" are needed for mere chemistry to become life-like, but that's the path they study.

PeterPrinciple: "So tell me why it is so offensive to live with scientific results that life begets life?"

Not in the least "offensive", but the question is how, exactly, do we define the word "life".
At the molecular levels of prions and viruses, "life" can be pretty hard to define, subject to interpretations and changeable with new understanding.

So let me ask you: why do you find it so "offensive" to consider certain complex organic molecules as "pre-life"?

PeterPrinciple: "When I was young, I said to God, ‘God, tell me the mystery of the universe.’
But God answered, ‘That knowledge is for me alone.’
So I said, ‘God, tell me the mystery of the peanut.’
Then God said, ‘Well George, that’s more nearly your size.’
And he told me."

Great story! That's exactly how science works, thanks.


32 posted on 05/22/2017 3:05:11 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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