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The guilt of saying ‘guilty’
UMass Daily Collegian ^ | 8/8/17 | Primavera

Posted on 08/11/2017 1:03:13 PM PDT by pabianice

If I had to do it again, I would make the same choice. The decision was unanimous among the jury from the start of our discussion. Although we felt sympathy for her, we all agreed that her driving had endangered others, and could have injured or even killed someone. We hoped she would learn that her actions had consequences.

But the knowledge that it was the right thing to do doesn’t erase the guilt I feel about saying the word “guilty.” In the courtroom, I didn’t see her as a defendant, or as a criminal, but as a person. I thought of how scared I would feel in her situation, waiting to hear my fate. I didn’t want to deliver the distressing news.

Even though I know that I have nothing to apologize for, I still wish I could. It’s hard to know that you’re a defining part of what is probably among a person’s worst memories. As difficult as it was for me to deliver the verdict, I can’t imagine what it was like for her to hear it, and for her hope to be destroyed by my words.

I had taken an oath to fulfill my duty as a juror, I had participated in the deliberation and then I had said just three words. “Yes. Guilty. Guilty.” I had fulfilled my legal duty, but I still feel that I haven’t fulfilled my moral duty. I wish I could add two more words: “I’m sorry.”

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UMie Libtard feels guilty about convicting a drunk driver. These are today's college grads, who can't stand making any judgments about people.
1 posted on 08/11/2017 1:03:13 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

Some chick wrote this, right?


2 posted on 08/11/2017 1:04:22 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd
Some chick wrote this, right?

I have been on juries with women like her several times.

3 posted on 08/11/2017 1:08:11 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Time to get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US!)
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To: pabianice

I voted GUILTY on my one jury assignment. I wish I could have sentenced him as well. The judge gave the scumbag a light sentence, so I felt like I wasted my time.


4 posted on 08/11/2017 1:08:34 PM PDT by alstewartfan (We have no money but we stay afloat. The Jellyfishes don't scare us. Al Stewart from Red Toupee)
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Posted by Jessica Primavera on August 2, 2017


5 posted on 08/11/2017 1:09:37 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Psephomancers for Hillary!)
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To: alstewartfan

I voted not guilty on my one criminal case. Prosecution utterly failed to provide any evidence that the defendant did the thing of which he was accused. Which was too bad. The defendant was certainly a creep, and probably guilty of something.


6 posted on 08/11/2017 1:10:36 PM PDT by NorthMountain (The Democrats ... have lost their grip on reality -DJT)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I googled her. She’s a cutie.

https://www.google.com/search?q=jessica+primavera&num=100&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiDwunA_c_VAhVIs1QKHYQcC1MQ_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=608

Hope she grows up and learns a thing or two.


7 posted on 08/11/2017 1:11:37 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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>>> In the courtroom, I didn’t see her as a defendant, or as a criminal, but as a person. I thought of how scared I would feel in her situation, waiting to hear my fate.<<<

Automatic disqualification for ANY juror, regardless of the charges... I suppose a ‘jury of peers’ only means humanoids with a pulse?


8 posted on 08/11/2017 1:13:39 PM PDT by heterosupremacist (Domine Iesu Christe, Filius Dei, miserere me peccatorem!)
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To: pabianice
Of course if the author had voted guilty in a case where the defendant was charged with writing that he has mistrusted moslems since 9/11 he/she would be dancing in the streets after the vote.
9 posted on 08/11/2017 1:16:50 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (ObamaCare Works For Those Who Don't.)
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Well, it was a pathetically-presented case in my trial as well. 10 jurors wanted to acquit and 1 was silent. So there was only me to read between the lines and convince everyone else that the perp HAD to be guilty. It turned out that this POS Mark Paulton had already murdered a statie in Fla, AND he had just been convicted of raping a 13 yo. All of this unknown to us, of course, before the verdict.


10 posted on 08/11/2017 1:20:23 PM PDT by alstewartfan (We have no money but we stay afloat. The Jellyfishes don't scare us. Al Stewart from Red Toupee)
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In the courtroom, I didn’t see her as a defendant, or as a criminal, but as a person.

This much is correct. The defendant is a person, with all the rights any other person has, including the right to a fair trial. I may not like the defendant, but I MUST respect his rights.

I thought of how scared I would feel in her situation,

This part is dead wrong. The defendants feelings don't matter. The facts matter, the law matters, the defendant's right to a fair trial matters.

11 posted on 08/11/2017 1:21:32 PM PDT by NorthMountain (The Democrats ... have lost their grip on reality -DJT)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Her oeuvre:

http://dailycollegian.com/author/jessicaprimavera/

I think you got responses for several different women. They are cute.


12 posted on 08/11/2017 1:21:47 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Psephomancers for Hillary!)
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To: alstewartfan
Well, it was a pathetically-presented case in my trial as well.

I wonder how common this is.

13 posted on 08/11/2017 1:22:36 PM PDT by NorthMountain (The Democrats ... have lost their grip on reality -DJT)
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To: NorthMountain

My lawyer brother told me that the best lawyers usually don’t work 9-5 jobs with the government. BTW, that prosecutor is now a JUDGE in Lackawanna Co, Pa.


14 posted on 08/11/2017 1:25:33 PM PDT by alstewartfan (We have no money but we stay afloat. The Jellyfishes don't scare us. Al Stewart from Red Toupee)
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To: pabianice

Once, a long time ago, I was called for jury duty. The very first question asked in the phase where they strike potential jurors was “What do you think about punishment?”

I had a few moments to compose my thoughts and for once I was not stumble-tongued.

I said: “For Justice to be honorable punishment is the only alternative to exoneration.”

In essence: not guilty MEANS not guilty, true, real legal exoneration of all charges (and no civil proceeding as a way to get a pound of flesh either, or so I’ve often argued). That or finding guilt and punishment.

The prosecutor and judge were nodding appreciatively. The defense attorney looked like he was about to have a heart attack from shock.

The lady next to me said: “Oh, that’s good!” and she wasn’t even allowed to finish her answer.

I haven’t been called again ... but I’m sure that’s just a coincidence.


15 posted on 08/11/2017 1:26:56 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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So what's your alternative, Jessica?

To let the woman continue to drive drunk, recklessly, until someone is injured or killed? How would you FEEL then?

Had a similar discussion years ago, where the defendant was charged with murder, and there was no doubt he did it. Counsel claimed he had a low IQ and mental illness, so he didn't understand what he was doing.

If that's true, I said, why wouldn't he do it again?

Punishment is only part of Justice, IMO. Society has to be protected against people who abuse their liberties.

16 posted on 08/11/2017 1:30:23 PM PDT by ZOOKER (Until further notice the /s is implied...)
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It isn't just the millenials . . . all young college students with no life experience are like this.

That's why lawyers strike them from ALL juries - civil, criminal, probate, you name it.

I wound up on a jury even though I'm a former insurance defense lawyer - just because it was such a bad pool that the lawyers said (in the post trial de-briefing, when I asked them, "What the )*(&(*%* were you THINKING?") that there were other folks they needed to get rid of a whole lot worse than they needed to get rid of me. Unemployed still living with parents, young college students, goofy hippie types, elderly hard-of-hearing, immigrants with questionable command of English, etc. etc.)

My late husband, on the other hand, was practically a professional juror. He got called 10-12 times over his lifetime, selected every time, elected foreman all but once (he said the guy in the suit really wanted to be foreman, so he deferred to him.) He really was a steady-looking fellow, long-time employee of a small company, technical background, unflappable. Everybody wanted him on their jury.

17 posted on 08/11/2017 1:44:21 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: alstewartfan

I have been on two juries. None of them ever made it to the verdict phase. One was ended when the defendant confessed. One was aborted after the prosecution made its case and demonstrated with Defense’s help that the police work was so shoddy that there was no way to actually link the evidence to the defendant and some doubt whether it was even linked to the incident at question.


18 posted on 08/11/2017 2:17:29 PM PDT by arthurus
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To: pabianice

She voted guilty. She did not disagree with verdict. The comments here are over the top.


19 posted on 08/11/2017 2:32:22 PM PDT by charo
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What an idiot


20 posted on 08/11/2017 2:38:18 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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