The following is a partial transcript of this 45 minute interview between Jason Goodman and Michael F. McMahon dated August 23, 2017. The above link is preset to begin 34 minutes into the video to coincide with this transcript segment:
Jason Goodman: ”...when I hear statements like corner-cutting and quantity over quality, it sounds very generous in your description, almost as if it’s an accident or if it’s a sort of a bureaucratic shortcoming. But, it certainly feel s like some of these things are done in a very deliberate sense to be able to purposely put nefarious people through that system...like ‘Imran Awan’ and others who are in place and in a position to really do harm on a major level.”
Michael F. McMahon: ”The ‘name checks’ at the ‘records management divisions’ / ‘national name check program’, OPM desk (Office of Personnel Management), um, the upper management in charge knowingly and willingly processed ‘name checks’ for the sake of expediency – PERIOD. Incidentally, the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) was reimbursing the FBI for ‘name checks reports’ that were sent by the FBI to OPM. So, in effect, it was a money making enterprise. ”
Jason Goodman: ”Wow, that’s pretty shocking!”
Michael F. McMahon: ”It’s a, uh, that is it was mandated. That was the program and that is known by everyone. That is something that is not a secret.”
Jason Goodman: ”Well, you know, it may not be a secret but it’s certainly – I don’t think known to the American public at large. One of the things that’s so advantageous about this format that we have here, this ‘Crowd-Source-Community’ and crowd supported community is that we don’t have to adhere to the traditional models of corporate control, the advertiser driven news media, that has to come out a specific time and fit into a specific time slot . For people who care to listen, which I think is a growing number , we can really get into these details with individuals, like yourself, who from personal experience really know what’s happening. So, I’ve got to thank you very much for taking this time, Michael. I hope that this will be the first in a series of interviews that you and I can do to just really delve into this and help you get your message out and help get this problem solved.”
Michael F. McMahon: ”I really appreciate that, Jason. My first goal, these are my whistleblower objectives and as I previously mentioned,
One thing which I would like to bring up – which I was not going to bring up on this conversation is that the retaliation whistle-blowers experience is, at least in my case, is unrelenting and they try to get you in line – put your eyes or head to the grindstone and get along with the program. In the past, over the decades or centuries, those who perpetrated bad things, crimes etc. etc. etc. – they would always say ‘I was only following orders. I was only following policy. This person told me to do that’. That can never happen. You have to hold everyone to account whether they’re in the lead or they’re actually the employees . Just because one is a lemming or a pollywog or has fear, they have to be held to account also.
Now, to get into the retaliation, for my part. I just want to bring this to light because it’s very important. On my, at my post as unit chief national ‘name check program’ OPM desk and other desks, by the way, not only did FBI Bureau personnel work the desks but they also had contractor research analysts who were farmed out also to augment the force of ‘name checks’ because of the cascading amount of name checks coming through by OPM . In particular, my division comprised of approximately 60% (six, zero) contracted research analysts and 40% (four, zero) bureau analysts. This is the point I’d like to bring up. Part of retaliation is this is how vicious the FBI – and I don’t mean as a total organization – the FBI management where I worked were. This has to be exposed.
There was collusion between the FBI Records Management Division and Contractor Research Analyst Firms Management who colluded to get me terminated because I would not play the numbers game. You know, processing ‘name checks’ for the sake of expediency. Many, many contract research analysts came up to me stating that their respective management were going around prior to me getting terminated asking if they had anything adverse to say about unit chief McMahon. Of course, I have the names etc. etc. This is how a perverse, I guess you can say ‘allegiance to FBI’ as an entity as opposed to America as where you’re supposed to have your allegiance to. It was absolutely disgraceful. There are many other adjectives and adverbs I could use but it was shameful and this has to be exposed. “
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