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To: BlueDragon

Looks like you have him pegged for the low-life, lying scum that he is! Thanks for doing the hard work for those of us who believe in true justice.


51 posted on 11/02/2017 7:38:16 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama (Self Defense is a Basic Human Right!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
He may only be run-of-the-mill egotistical 360 degree bodily sold waste vent.

In which case I'd be wrong about the other guesses.

As for the wider subject matter, I'm not ready to buy into the notion that Waco PD, right down to street officer level were fully on-board with some kind of set-up "trap" (as in deliberate and hoped-for "shooting gallery") although I wouldn't put it past the FEDS to have been hoping enough of something like that would take place so they could obtain Federal wiretap warrants, either to use from there forwards, or to use and to cover for past illicit wire-tapping.

The wiretapping (that did eventually come to pass -- warrants were obtained for that purpose in the aftermath of the Twin Peaks incident) would help provide cover for undercover agents and informants too.

The Feds think of these kind of things, and plan on how to make it happen. According to those who claim to be in-the-know (like 'Aging Rebel') the Feds have done it before -- setting one MC against another in order to take down one or both. It made them all wet in their panties when they thought they'd be able to take the Mongols's name away from that MC. The Feds lost that fight, in Federal Court. The name itself is not illegal, even if there be some Mongols (and other MC's members) who are bad actors -- not the kind I'd chose to be associated with.

The testimony coming out of Witherspoon's Twitter feed more than suggests that the Waco PD did know about the potential for fights, and had talked about allowing fights to be 'fought out' according to a rookie officer --Nikki something or another...

It's like they (the PD -- at least the majority of them?) did not fully expect gunfire, although had contemplated that possibility too -- as they would have had to. I myself read about the meeting, and that LE Agencies were "expecting trouble" in online Fort Worth Star-Telegram about 10 to 12 days before it happened. I had thought about going -- and staying back, just watching, and just watching the cops in particular because there was something about that published notice that made me think -- hold on here -- there's something, and undercurrent here -- somebody's got a plan -- what is it?

But as it turned out, I semi-spaced it out, and forgot until waking up late on that Sunday, realizing at once when I awoke that I would not make it in time unless I left right then -- like right after taking a morning wizz and zipping up my pants going out the door...

So, I did not go. Later that day, when the news hit the internet -- I was mad at myself for having not followed up on what I'd intended to do. You can bet your ass I was not planing on taking any firearms. I was thinking I'd park some distance away, but not so far I could not see how law enforcement arrayed themselves, and conducted themselves.

There would be no reason for me to keep too much focus on the bikers. The article I'd happened across mentioned there would be surveillance cameras set up in the parking lot nearby to the Twin Peaks, and I had figured the police would have dashboard cameras going, and who knows what all else.

Speaking of majorities; looking at the majority of the people there running away when the shooting started suggests to me that a larger number of bikers of either of the two largest MC's did not fully expect (nor were desiring) fights to happen, and did not expect shootings more particularly ---than there were of those who jumped in when fighting broke out.

Even for those who did join in after the first blows were exchanged -- when they saw (or even just thought that they perceived) their "brothers" were being assaulted were honor-bound to render assistance.

Does that make them as criminal as McLennan County DA's Office prefers to portray events being? I do not think so.

Everyone is still an individual actor. It can't be conspiracy unless there was a plan ahead of time -- a plan for some kind of crime to be committed. If in exception to that qualification appeal is made to "by their actions" it may be assumed there was conspiracy (even among actors not known to one another, but sort-of picking it up on the fly, agreeing to working in concert at criminal activity when they saw one another and recognized 'gang' markings) there would still need to be recognition among various actors that what they were doing was a crime (for it to be at that point "conspiracy").

What of the talk of their having been talk among individuals on either side of this deadly dust-up of working out and agreeing to a form of "peace" between Cossacks and Bandidos? Shouldn't that count for something -- specially if it's true that Waco PD played a role in encouraging the local Cossack chapter president to attend the COC&I meeting?

The video evidence shows that man and some high ranking Bandidos shaking hands, and Bandidos and loosely affiliated MC club members walking around freely, nobody hassling anyone else.

And then, in comes the group from Dallas.

I can hardly be called a "jailhouse lawyer" for saying this, or else called a druggie who had drug dealers for friends, not unless Amamda Dillon is a jailhouse lawyer who is a druggie and has drug dealers for friends.

Then again, nobody has ever delivered two "bricks" of cocaine to my custody (or eles to the custody of an "Office" I was ranking member of) and have that mysteriously turn into only one kilo package of coke.

Amanda, you boxum bleachy-blond you, does anyone in your office have a nose like Billy Jeff Clin-toon?

Just where did the rest of that coke go?

55 posted on 11/02/2017 9:14:36 PM PDT by BlueDragon (..and that's the thing do you recognize the bells of truth when you hear them ring)
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