Posted on 11/18/2017 9:43:23 AM PST by TigerClaws
Who says LHO was part of the conspiracy? That’s just the point. He wasn’t.
Chinaberries hurt like the dickens when ya got nailed with one... :)
Here is a long detailed link on Ruby. It indicates contacts with Traficanti in Cuba before Castro took over. Ruby had most of his family in Chicago, big mob town. Apparently Oswald was favoring Castro who was throwing out the mob gambling interests. Probably Russia was supportive of Castro’s efforts (my thought) and Oswald came back from Russia. My sense of the whole mess is that Oswald and Ruby may both have been manipulated, unknowingly, by forces much more powerful than themselves, to do what they wanted to do anyway. I think there was more than one shooter. The book repository which Oswald shot from was owned by Brown and Root, I think.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ruby
I believe there was a confluence of several major actors/groups to do what happened to JFK. There has been a lot of talk about FBI, Russia, Maffia, unions, etc. What has not been talked about much is the business powers who were behind Johnson. While JFK had increased US participation in Vietnam, he did not seem too eager to mushroom those efforts, and at the time I seem to recall hearing he wanted us to withdraw. See quotes from the site below:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2003/12/11/war-profiteering-from-vietnam-to-iraq/
“From 1964 into 1965, the experiment was vastly militarized. Around 23,000 troops in Vietnam by the end of 1964, by 1965 was 185,000, and then over 385,000. American force levels peaked at around 542,000. By all accounts a traditional society, southern Vietnam needed an infrastructure to receive this influx of military aid. Responsibility for building that necessary infrastructure was given over to the largest construction entity ever, the RMK-BRJ (Raymond International, Morrison-Knudsen, Brown & Root, and J.A. Jones Construction). Calling itself “The Vietnam Builders” and receiving highly lucrative “no bid” contracts, this consortium of private corporations was to turn southern Vietnam into a modern, integrated military installation that would enable the United States to properly defend its client. The Vietnam Builders entered into a contract with the federal government, via the U.S. Navy, as the exclusive contractor for the huge military buildup that was to come; there would be no open bidding or otherwise competitive process.”
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1569483 This link details some history of Brown and Root which morphed into Halliburton.
This article deals with Iraq but says, “Nearly 40 years ago, Halliburton faced almost identical charges over its work for the U.S. government in Vietnam — allegations of overcharging, sweetheart contracts from the White House and war profiteering. Back then, the company’s close ties to President Johnson became a liability. Today — as NPR’s John Burnett reports in the last of a three-part series — Halliburton seems to be distancing itself from its former chief executive officer, Vice President Dick Cheney.
The story of Halliburton’s ties to the White House dates back to the 1940s, when a Texas firm called Brown & Root constructed a massive dam project near Austin. The company’s founders, Herman and George Brown, won the contract to build Mansfield Dam thanks to the efforts of Johnson, who was then a Texas congressman.
After Johnson took over the Oval Office, Brown & Root won contracts for huge construction projects for the federal government. By the mid-1960s, newspaper columnists and the Republican minority in Congress began to suggest that the company’s good luck was tied to its sizable contributions to Johnson’s political campaign.
More questions were raised when a consortium of which Brown & Root was a part won a $380 million contract to build airports, bases, hospitals and other facilities for the U.S. Navy in South Vietnam. By 1967, the General Accounting Office had faulted the “Vietnam builders” — as they were known — for massive accounting lapses and allowing thefts of materials.
Brown & Root also became a target for anti-war protesters: they called the firm the embodiment of the “military-industrial complex” and denounced it for building detention cells to hold Viet Cong prisoners in South Vietnam.
Today, Brown & Root is called Kellogg, Brown & Root — a Halliburton subsidiary better known as KBR.”
Lots of corporate names here for further research and connections to this historic conspiracy story.
” While JFK had increased US participation in Vietnam, he did not seem too eager to mushroom those efforts, and at the time I seem to recall hearing he wanted us to withdraw. “
Kennedy had no intention of withdrawing. In the weeks just prior to his own death JFK had blessed a coup against South Vietnam’s President Diem. He approved of the coup because he was finding Diem resistant to American plans for dealing with the threat from North Vietnam. So Diem had to go.
Diem and his family were killed in that coup some three weeks before Kennedy’s own assassination. That gross folly left South Vietnam’s government rudderless for years and was the driving force behind sending American combat troops in to keep the country from collapsing.
Thanks
I believe had JFK completed a second term Robert would have followed, not the Texan.
In the spring of 1968, Democrats were fed up with Lyndon Johnson who read the tea leaves & bailed after Eugene McCarthy beat him in the NH primary. He died only four plus years later.
The nomination & the Presidency were RFK’s for the taking until fate intervened. Hubert Humphrey never stood a chance.
“I believe there was a confluence of several major actors/groups ...”
Reading any comprehensive history of JFKs tenure leaves one astounded at how many powerful people/groups the Kennedy boys enraged. As an event the assination was predictable. As a conspiracy it could be called flawless THAT is where a great many people doubt it. Do you think the truth will ever be known?
It is not clear that Kennedy would have been re-elected.
He was not that popular before he was killed.
I went to a rally Robert Kennedy had about two weeks before he got killed.
Was at Valley Junior College in N.Hollywood,VanNuys.
this is very interesting about the jfk assassination.
Did you read my Comment #43 and the links? I have now followed up on the question, Did JFK plan to withdraw? This very long and heavily documented account shows that JFK definitely planned a 1,000 man drawdown in the months before the Nov. 22, 1963 assassination, and a complete withdrawal by 1965.
http://bostonreview.net/us/galbraith-exit-strategy-vietnam
Among other things: “The President approved the military recommendations contained in section I B (1-3) of the report [Oct. 11, 1963], but directed that no formal announcement be made of the implementation of plans to withdraw 1,000 U.S. military personnel by the end of 1963.
In other words, the withdrawal recommended by McNamara on October 2 was embraced in secret by Kennedy on October 5 and implemented by his order on October 11, also in secret. Newman argues that the secrecy after October 2 can be explained by a diplomatic reason. Kennedy did not want Diem or anyone else to interpret the withdrawal as part of any pressure tactic (other steps that were pressure tactics had also been approved). There was also a political reason: JFK had not decided whether he could get away with claiming that the withdrawal was a result of progress toward the goal of a self-sufficient South Vietnam.
The alternative would have been to withdraw the troops while acknowledging failure. And this, Newman argues, Kennedy was prepared to do if it became necessary. He saw no reason, however, to take this step before it became necessary. If the troops could be pulled while the South Vietnamese were still standing, so much the better.4 But from October 11 onward the CIA’s reporting changed drastically. Official optimism was replaced by a searching and comparatively realistic pessimism. Newman believes this pessimism, which involved rewriting assessments as far back as the previous July, was a response to NSAM 263. It represented an effort by the CIA to undermine the ostensible rationale of withdrawal with success, and therefore to obstruct implementation of the plan for withdrawal. Kennedy, needless to say, did not share his full reasoning with the CIA. [After the 11/22/63 JFK assassination, the CIA was instrumental in ocean attacks on North Vietnam that led to the Gulf of Tonkin vote in Congress giving LBJ powers to attack the North, which resulted in commitment of the entire NV army to go south, and our major, big dollar SV buildup so profitable to Texas and other contractors, and the death of 37,000 of our young military.]
On Nov. 21, 1963, 20 days after the Saigon coup and assassination of leaders Diem and Nhu, NSAM 273 (draft form) was released including: “7. With respect to action against North Vietnam, there should be a detailed plan for the development of additional Government of Vietnam resources, especially for sea-going activity, and such planning should indicate the time and investment necessary to achieve a wholly new level of effectiveness in this field of action. (Emphasis added. ‘additional Govt of Vietnam resources’ was italicized)” Then on Nov. 26 (4 days after JFK’s assassination) Johnson signed the final version of NSAM 273. It “differs from the draft in several respects. Most are minor changes of wording. The main change is that the draft paragraph 7 has been struck in its entirety (there are two pencil slashes on the November 21 draft), and replaced with the following:
Planning should include different levels of possible increased activity, and in each instance there be estimates such factors as: A. Resulting damage to North Vietnam; B. The plausibility denial; C. Vietnamese retaliation; D. Other international reaction. Plans submitted promptly for approval by authority.
The new language is incomplete. It does not begin by declaring outright that the subject is attacks on the North. But the thrust is unmistakable, and the restrictive reference to “Government of Vietnam resources” is now missing.
Newman concludes that this change effectively provided new authority for U.S.–directed combat actions against North Vietnam. Planning for these actions began therewith...”
Before a large audience at the LBJ Library on May 1, 1995,...[McNamara] confirmed that President Kennedy’s action had three elements: (1) complete withdrawal “by December 31, 1965,” (2) the first 1,000 out by the end of 1963, and (3) a public announcement, to set these decisions “in concrete,” which was made. McNamara also added the critical information that there exists a tape of this meeting, in the John F. Kennedy Library in Boston, to which he had access and on which his account is based.” “Unfortunately, the last White House tape from the Kennedy administration is dated November 7, 1963. The archivists at the JFK Library have no information on why the tapings either ended or are unavailable for later dates.” Could it be that the next batch of tapes starting Nov. 8 had not been stored and LBJ decided to NOT forward them to their proper repository?
LJB also had to deal with “war hawks”, some of whom seemed to feel that nuclear war while Russia had few nuclear weapons might be a good idea. Generals might want major war, but small well financed wars probably seem preferable to most large construction and infrastructure corporations. LBJ’s backers got funding for building in spades. A comment by LBJ to John Kenneth Galbraith, not long before the Vietnam war drove them apart, indicates the dilemma: “You may not like what I’m doing in Vietnam, Ken, but you would not believe what would happen if I were not here.” [As a construction man, I hope President Trump will limit us to small well financed wars and not allow escalation to a nuclear one.]
You mean the CounterPunch article that you think is a gem? By the self-described political radicals?
Anyone who wants to know what Kennedy’s actual policy was regarding South Vietnam can go read Frederick Nolting’s ‘From Trust to Tragedy’. He was our Ambassador to South Vietnam. And they can read McMaster’s exhaustive account in ‘Dereliction of Duty’, required reading at our military academies. Or they can fill their little heads with the revisionist leftwing drivel of sort that obviously intrigues you.
Because you have evidence of one? Post it.
I didn’t see anything labeled “CounterPunch”, so I don’t know what you are talking about. I will check out the Nolting and McMaster material.
I’m an idiot too
I think Oswald was lone shooter
His contacts before the shooting are highly suspicious
Ruby as a very minor or even not even a Jewish mob guy killing Lee is weird admittedly
Ruby is a dead end
Oswald travels and New Orleans time might not be
To me the questions are more about Lees history than the actual shooting
Not sure we’ll learn from these dumps
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