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That Time the U.S. Navy Had a Close Encounter With a UFO (More good info)
popularmechanics.com ^ | Kyle Mizokami

Posted on 12/23/2017 3:43:05 AM PST by RoosterRedux

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To: RoosterRedux

Well, the fightersweep.com article is certainly interesting.


141 posted on 12/23/2017 1:09:15 PM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: RoosterRedux

He wrote a lot of evil/dark novels. It’s not shocking that he ended up with his experiences. He seems to have moved more toward the evil hypothesis. He has always noted that there were incidents over-blanked with evil. And maybe some evil critters. We don’t know that he has decided all the critters are evil, yet. We don’t check on him frequently. Housemate used to be a subscriber to his UNKNOWN country.


142 posted on 12/23/2017 1:10:10 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: etabeta

You are welcome. However, if you are an RC, brace yourself. There are some rather surprising things in it—well documented, however.


143 posted on 12/23/2017 1:11:46 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: Alas Babylon!

He’s reading this thread. But I will make a special point of passing along your greetings. He has always felt warmly towards you and memories related to you, as well.


144 posted on 12/23/2017 1:12:42 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: JockoManning

So, you believe that all of these ‘sightings’ of objects and purported ‘abductions’ represent ET visitors?


145 posted on 12/23/2017 1:56:06 PM PST by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Jamestown1630
No. At this point in time, we have a lot of reverse engineered craft quite similar to the craft of the critters.

Supposedly even some of the abductions are managed by our military, at this time.

And, there have been reports for a lot of years that our military personnel in uniform have been seen on the critters larger craft serving some function working with the critters.

146 posted on 12/23/2017 2:02:27 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: JockoManning

But do you believe that we ARE being visited by ETs? And if not, what do you mean by ‘critters’?


147 posted on 12/23/2017 2:07:20 PM PST by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Jamestown1630
We in our household believe that satan's fallen angels are pretending to be ET's of various types from purportedly distant galaxies--while in fact, they come from an evil spiritual dimension.

This is the belief of L.A. Marzulli, Dr Chuck Missler, Tom Horn, Cris Putnam, Guy Malone, and largely, essentially Dr J Allen Hynek and Dr Jacques Vallee agree that these entities, critters, are evil spiritual entities that come from an evil spiritual dimension.

The powers that be have been carefully, gradually brainwashing the global citizens to believe they are ET's from at least the time of the radio experiment WAR OF THE WORLDS. And it was a carefully constructed experiment with significant oligarchy involvement.

All the major sci fi movies have similarly continued and refined the brainwashing in a variety of ways.

Christ warned that the GREAT DECEPTION of the end times would be so great that were it possible, even the Believers would be deceived.

Secular man has forsaken the authentic Almighty God Yehovah. But they are desperate for a savior so the enemy is happy to provide ET pretenders to fill the bill--probably as good cop/bad cop--some playing one role and some playing the other role.

And the charade and the band will play on.

148 posted on 12/23/2017 3:30:34 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: JockoManning

I think you have misinterpreted Hynek and Vallee somewhat; but thanks anyway.


149 posted on 12/23/2017 3:54:02 PM PST by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Jamestown1630
I understand. It is a bit disputed. However, I've read all Vallee's books and I think it is fair to say he does believe they are evil spiritual entities from an evil spiritual dimension. He seems to be very careful about the context involved where he says such things, however. He does not seem to get into the fallen angel, GREAT DECEPTION of the end times stuff.

Dr J Allen Hynek reportedly believed similarly but may not have put it quite so starkly. Hynek had more and closer experiences with such things in his government jobs. How much is not clear.

I haven't talked to either one face to face. Time will tell.

150 posted on 12/23/2017 4:04:22 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: JockoManning

I think they believed that the phenomena as a whole may represent a number of different ‘things’.

It doesn’t strike me that Vallee believed it was all ‘evil spiritual entities’ if he would say, “I’ll be disappointed if UFOs turn out to be only spacecraft from outer space.”

I think he was interested in how study and attempting to understand all of this might inform our as yet paltry grasp of the real natures of time and space.


151 posted on 12/23/2017 5:11:15 PM PST by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: RoosterRedux

By the way, still remember when this incident caused quite a stir in Southern California

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ahq_nvl1Jw


152 posted on 12/23/2017 7:50:06 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Jamestown1630
It doesn’t strike me that Vallee believed it was all ‘evil spiritual entities’ if he would say, “I’ll be disappointed if UFOs turn out to be only spacecraft from outer space.”

We tend to read that a bit differently. We think he meant that if it all turned out to be simple tangible craft etc. etc. etc. then it would not be as complex and interesting as he'd so far observed, researched it to be.

Our reading of Dr Vallee's 3? books depicted Vallee's perspective as fairly consistent across all of his books. He meticulously and tediously to the point of almost boredom documented how the ET/UFO stuff rather shockingly closely paralleled poltergeist and other dark occult goings on in the night through the centuries.

It did not seem to us that his perspective was all that diverse, at the point of his writing those books.

153 posted on 12/23/2017 8:54:59 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: BenLurkin

We vaguely recall that.


154 posted on 12/23/2017 8:56:27 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: JockoManning

His thinking is very diverse on the issue; he has not ruled out entirely the ‘ET’ hypothesis. He’s actually pretty noncommittal when it comes to trying to nail this down - and that is in line with his main theme of the necessity of studying all of this scientifically.

I think he meant that the phenomena, historically, often echoed the beliefs that were current during the times when they displayed; and as we have grown more technologically advanced they have taken on the tone of our current cultural references. He recognized an element of - for want of a better word - the ‘psychological’. (I think the ‘control system’ that he suggests could very well be a collectively self-imposed one which is inherent to the development of our consciousness.)

He’s been doing online interviews over the past few years; you might be interested in how his thought developed after his earlier books.


155 posted on 12/23/2017 9:51:06 PM PST by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Jamestown1630
Thanks. I probably am overdue for checking into his latest pontifications on the topic.

He also has demonstrated a capacity to frame things a little differently in more public forums vs privately.

156 posted on 12/23/2017 9:55:14 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: Jamestown1630
Q is more adamant about Jacques Vallee than I am. He has done more of the reading and listening to him than I have. He's more convinced that Vallee has a more strongly held and fairly straight-forward somewhat simple spiritual construction on the ET realities involved.

Both of us believe that the CONTROL FUNCTION Vallee describes is much more than you outlined. We both see Vallee as insisting that the whole of the behavior of the critters and their craft are deliberately structured and calibrated to engineer subtle to not so subtle and wholesale effective control mechanisms on our culture, our society. And the big question is--to what ends.

And on that score the issue of the degree of evil involved is a very important one.

We hope Vallee hasn't been turned 'to the dark side.'

157 posted on 12/23/2017 9:59:06 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: bagster

Tagline...


158 posted on 12/23/2017 10:15:10 PM PST by Kickass Conservative ( THEY LIVE, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

Haha. Nice!


159 posted on 12/23/2017 10:18:25 PM PST by bagster (Even bad men love their mamas.)
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To: JockoManning

If you insist on reading Vallee through the very particular, subjective lens of your own religious beliefs, you won’t understand the breadth of his thought.

Try this; it’s short:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S98WGpzW1Q

Thanks for the conversation, and Merry Christmas!


160 posted on 12/24/2017 6:42:06 AM PST by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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