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To: wardaddy

You need to recommend a good history of all that stuff.


35 posted on 01/28/2018 10:52:18 AM PST by Pelham (California, a subsidiary of Mexico, Inc.)
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To: Pelham; Albion Wilde; miss marmelstein

Two older ones by Philip Haigh and Charles Ross on War of the Roses which sets stage for the rise of the Tudors which aside from Charles II are the last successful true monarchs in England cum Britain

Ross book is War of the Roses

Haigh is “campaigns of war of the Roses”

On Henry VII who I find more interesting than his son....there is

Earlier works by Gladys Temperly and of course Francis Bacon

Lately a plethora of historical works and historical novels by women about Plantagenet and Tudor women’ and their enormous contribution to this era abound and frankly the women and their DNA and birth alliances made history as much as the battles did...and some paid the ultimate price..

The aforementioned unfortunate Margaret de la Pole...the last direct regal Plantagenet

It funny but it all stemmed from John of Gaunt....the last surviving son of Edward III and younger brother to Edward the famous Black Prince

Edward III grandson to Longshanks and son of the homosexual failure Edward II

EDWARD III was a decent and very long reigning monarch and he reoaired the damage done by his dad.

But back to Gaunt.....

He fathered legimately the roots of the Lancaster side of the War of the Roses...the Yorks and Tudors through the children of his mistress Katherine Swynfford and her descent Margaret the mother of Henry VII who killed Richard III at Bosworth

Gaunt also fathered the line of a United Spain through his marriage to a Castillo princess and the Portuguese line and foundations of the Habsburg dynasty

I’d wager nobody who wasnt king had ore influence on what became modern Europe than did his tadpoles

Fascinating period of history to me

The end of chivalry and feudal Europe and the rise of the Renaissance

True kings but they had to fight to keep it

Miss Marmelstein is an authority on the oft and likely unfairly maligned Richard III and I’m sure knows many more sound volumes than do I

I think she is a member of the Richard III society

It’s no question my personal favorite English era....that and Alfred but there is a dearth of work on Alfred


102 posted on 01/28/2018 11:46:40 PM PST by wardaddy (As a southerner I've never trusted the Grand Old Party.....any questions?)
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