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Russiagate or Intelgate?
The Nation ^ | feb 2018 | Stephen F. Cohen

Posted on 02/12/2018 1:12:56 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT

And so, Cohen concludes, we are left with even more ramifying questions:

§ Was Russiagate produced by the primary leaders of the US intelligence community, not just the FBI? If so, it is the most perilous political scandal in modern American history, and the most detrimental to American democracy. And if so, it does indeed, as zealous promoters of Russiagate assert, make Watergate pale in significance. (To understand more, we will need to learn more, including whether Trump associates other than Carter Page and Paul Manafort were officially surveilled by any of the agencies involved. And whether they were surveilled in order to monitor Trump himself, on the assumption they were or would be in close proximity to him, as the president once suggested in a tweet.)

(Excerpt) Read more at thenation.com ...


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What was President Obama’s role in any of this? Or to resort to the Watergate question: What did he know and when did he know it? And what did he do? The same questions would need to be asked about his White House aides and other appointees. Whatever the full answers, there is no doubt that Obama acted on the Russiagate allegations. He cited them for the sanctions he imposed on Russia in December 2016,

And this is from "The Nation" ???????

1 posted on 02/12/2018 1:12:56 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

we know when he knew everything from the texts saying he wanted to know everything.

what is taking the justice department so long in bringing this crime ring to justice


2 posted on 02/12/2018 1:20:34 PM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Russiagate needs to be renamed Brennangate. That wicked twisted John Brennan is the architect.


3 posted on 02/12/2018 1:22:04 PM PST by iontheball (lLL)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

i give The Nation credit on this topic- one of the few left wing outlets will to explore the truth rather than regurgitate left wing talking points...


4 posted on 02/12/2018 1:23:22 PM PST by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: God luvs America
i give The Nation credit on this topic- one of the few left wing outlets will to explore the truth rather than regurgitate left wing talking points...

YES, and isn't that a surprise.

5 posted on 02/12/2018 1:33:57 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT (This Space for Rent)
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To: God luvs America

Read this piece earlier today. It really is a must-read.


6 posted on 02/12/2018 1:35:29 PM PST by phoneman08 (qwiyrqweopigradfdzcm,.dadfjl,dz)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Stephen Cohen has been fairly supportive of Trump the times I’ve listened to him.


7 posted on 02/12/2018 1:58:46 PM PST by Ken H (Best election ever!)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

WOW!!

MUST READING!!


8 posted on 02/12/2018 2:02:44 PM PST by edwinland
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To: DUMBGRUNT

He’s married to Katrina vanden Heuvel, editor, publisher, and part-owner of the progressive magazine The Nation and has been the magazine’s editor since 1995.


9 posted on 02/12/2018 2:09:49 PM PST by dontreadthis (I finally came up with this taglineI)
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To: Ken H

The onlything I know of Mr Cohen is that his wife is Katrina vanden Heuvel, “She is the editor, publisher, and part-owner of the progressive magazine The Nation and has been the magazine’s editor since 1995” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katrina_vanden_Heuvel

That said, I thought the article was solid reporting.
I did have a paid subscription to “Mother Jones”, some years back; they did not care for W J Clinton.


10 posted on 02/12/2018 2:11:24 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT (This Space for Rent)
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To: dontreadthis

I was slowly pecking out #10 as you posted.

At this point, what I see here beats the ‘mainstream media’.

I will look for more of his writing.


11 posted on 02/12/2018 2:14:53 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT (This Space for Rent)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Keep looking at the trees of Fisagate, Fast and Furious, Benghazi, etc, etc, etc, and you’ll miss the forest of the Kenyanesian Usurpation.


12 posted on 02/12/2018 2:24:39 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents__Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Steven Cohen is on the John Batchelor Show every Wednesday


13 posted on 02/12/2018 2:40:16 PM PST by dontreadthis (I finally came up with this taglineI)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

FISAGATE will work with those with half of a brain.


14 posted on 02/12/2018 3:10:33 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Never pick a fight with an angry beehive of 64+ million Trump Deplorables. You will lose!)
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Cohen has been consistent. and apparently the FakeNewsMSM no longer wishes to hear his opinions:

15 Nov 2017: Nation: Stephen F. Cohen: ‘Russiagate’ Zealots (Mainly Democrats) Have Become a Major Threat to US National Security
At an international summit in Vietnam last week, President Trump took necessary steps to reduce the perils of the new Cold War with Russia. Liberal Democrats call it “treasonous.”
(To those who recall Watergate, Cohen points out that, unlike Trump, President Nixon was never accused of “collusion with the Kremlin” or faced reckless, and preposterous, allegations that the Kremlin had abetted his election by an “attack on American democracy.”)

What Trump did in Vietnam last week was therefore vitally important and courageous, though uniformly misrepresented by the American mainstream media. Despite unrelenting “Russiagate” attempts led by Democrats to impeach him for “collusion with the Kremlin” (still without any meaningful evidence), and perhaps even opposition by high-level members of his own administration, Trump met several times, informally and briefly, with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Presumably dissuaded or prevented by some of his own top advisers from having a formal, lengthy meeting, Trump was nonetheless prepared...

What Trump told the US press corps after his meetings with Putin was even more remarkable—and defiantly bold. He reiterated his longstanding position that “having a relationship with Russia would be a great thing—not a good thing—it would be a great thing.” To this Cohen adds that it would be an essential thing for the sake of US national security on many vital issues and in many areas of the world, and should be the first foreign-policy principle of both political parties. Trump then turned to “Russiagate,”saying that Putin had again denied any personal involvement and that in this Putin seemed sincere. Trump quickly added that three of President Obama’s top intelligence directors—the CIA’s John Brennan, Office of National Intelligence’s James Clapper, and the FBI’s James Comey—were “political hacks,” clearly implying that their declared role in “Russiagate” had been and remains less than sincere...
https://www.thenation.com/article/russiagate-zealots-mainly-democrats-have-become-a-major-threat-to-us-national-security/


15 posted on 02/12/2018 3:33:40 PM PST by MAGAthon
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another piece worth reading:

13 Dec 2017: The Nation: Stephen F. Cohen: Media Malpractice Is Criminalizing Better Relations With Russia
The pillorying of General Flynn and hounding of Secretary of State Tillerson equate détente with “collusion with the Kremlin.”
The foundational accusation of Russiagate was, and remains, charges that Russian President Putin ordered the hacking of DNC e-mails and their public dissemination through WikiLeaks in order to benefit Donald Trump and undermine Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential election, and that Trump and/or his associates colluded with the Kremlin in this “attack on American democracy.” As no actual evidence for these allegations has been produced after nearly a year and a half of media and government investigations, we are left with Russiagate without Russia...

...the mainstream American media have been largely responsible for inflating, perpetuating, and sustaining the sham Russiagate as the real political crisis it has become, arguably the greatest in modern American presidential and thus institutional political history. The media have done this by increasingly betraying their own professed standards of verified news reporting and balanced coverage, even resorting to tacit forms of censorship by systematically excluding dissenting reporting and opinions...

Nor are these practices merely the ordinary occasional mishaps of professional journalism...
https://www.thenation.com/article/media-malpractice-is-criminalizing-better-relations-with-russia/


16 posted on 02/12/2018 3:40:56 PM PST by MAGAthon
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Cohen and Dershowitz. They are the last two honest liberals left in America, IMO. I suppose I should add Prof. Jonathan Turley.
That’s it these men are not Trump supporters, but they seem to despise intellectual dishonest.


17 posted on 02/12/2018 4:38:53 PM PST by confederatecarpetbag
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Har Left Nation mag. having reality setting in on them get out in front and separate themselves for the ‘Trump is a Russian spy’ conspiracy wing-nuts.

Smart move


18 posted on 02/13/2018 8:47:48 AM PST by Para-Ord.45 (Americans, happy in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own dictators.)
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Hard*


19 posted on 02/13/2018 8:48:56 AM PST by Para-Ord.45 (Americans, happy in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own dictators.)
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“If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.”

Winston Churchill


20 posted on 02/13/2018 8:56:55 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT (This Space for Rent)
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