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Trump might be close to escalating a trade fight with China
Vox ^ | Feb 17, 2018, 2:48pm EST | By Emily Stewart

Posted on 02/17/2018 4:38:41 PM PST by cba123

The Trump administration is weighing stiff new limits and tariffs on steel and aluminum imports — and China, one of the proposal’s main targets, is warning it might want to think twice.

Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross issued a pair of reports on Friday on a months-long investigation into the national security impacts of steel and aluminum imports to the United States. The measures proposed would cut imports from around the globe in an effort to boost domestic production. China warned the country would take “necessary measures to defend our rights” should President Donald Trump decide to follow Ross’ recommendations. Trump has until April to decide what to do.

“Imports threaten to impair our national security,” Ross told reporters Friday as he released the reports detailing options that he has presented Trump to shield US industries from foreign competition, according to the Wall Street Journal.

The maneuver is the latest attempt of the Trump administration to make good on its “America First” message — even if economists, analysts, and allies say it might not be the best of ideas.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: america; china; trade
Trump railed against China on the campaign trail but has done little in the way of taking firm action against the country since his election. But the ground may be shifting. In January, the US Trade Representative, the agency that oversees US trade policy, announced that the country is imposing 30 percent tariffs on imported solar panels. Most solar panels in the US come from China. US Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer when the tariffs were announced accused China of unfair trade practices, such as using large government subsidies to boost the production of panels and give China a leg up over international competitors.
1 posted on 02/17/2018 4:38:41 PM PST by cba123
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To: cba123

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/17/17023400/trump-might-be-close-to-escalating-a-trade-fight-with-china

(sorry please note the section above “Trump railed against China on the Campaign trail, but has done little in the way of firm action against the country since his election...” is all from the article)


2 posted on 02/17/2018 4:40:22 PM PST by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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To: cba123

Millions of Middle class manufacturing jobs were stolen by China, NOT Russia, NOT Iran, NOT N Korea, Not Mexcico, Not any other country. Candidate Donald Trump was the ONLY one talking about $400-500 Billion ANNUAL trade deficits with China. The so called conservatives, so loved by many, were for “free” trade? I am glad they all bit the dust during primaries.

Because all they care about their ultra-rich HANDFUL donors, and not the vast hard working middle class.


3 posted on 02/17/2018 4:51:44 PM PST by entropy12 (30 Million low wealth, low skill LEGAL chain migrants in 25 years is 60 times worse than DACA)
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To: cba123

“Trump might be close too escalating...........”

Add your own topic as there are a gazillion


4 posted on 02/17/2018 4:53:17 PM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: cba123

This is going to be a problem. Thirty plus years of de-industrialization, along with moving most of that capacity to a communist country, has taken its toll on domestic manufacturing.

Even if we cut off imports from china, it will take years to bring us back up to what we used to be able to produce. The whole domestic supply chain has been systematically eliminated.

In the short term, expect something along the lines of an OPEC style embargo of industrial products by china. It will hurt, possibly enough to break our will and capitulate to the chinese.


5 posted on 02/17/2018 4:53:40 PM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it. MAGA!)
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To: entropy12

Those jobs weren’t stolen, they were given away. Trump’s biggest opponents in this will be the American CEO’s who want cheap labor.


6 posted on 02/17/2018 5:00:29 PM PST by Wolfie
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To: cba123; All

China’s threats of retaliation ring hollow.

We have at least a $500bil trade deficit with them. And, we are the largest market in the world for all finished goods.

If they want a trade war, they’re stupid.

They won’t survive it, and we will.

And China knows this. They also know what the US seeks is fair and reasonable.

They will not destroy themselves over something fair and reasonable.


7 posted on 02/17/2018 5:05:56 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: cba123

Funny how it’s always Trump.
Trump this, Trump that, it’s never the other guy.
Trade war? Shock and awe baby!


8 posted on 02/17/2018 5:08:18 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Wolfie

” they were given away”

They were sold by the US Congress and four previous presidents.

For the opportunity of their donors to skim off the top.

It’s been the largest transfer of capital stock in the history of man, well at least since the fall of the Roman Empire.


9 posted on 02/17/2018 5:08:59 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: cba123
Trump might be close to escalating a trade fight with China

China has been dumping cheap goods to the U.S.A. for a long, long time and they keep using the $$$ to buy weaponry instead,

With friends like this who needs enemies.

Thank God President Trump is our POTUS.

10 posted on 02/17/2018 5:10:03 PM PST by TheConservativeTejano
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China has been dumping cheap goods to the U.S.A. for a long, long time and they keep using the $$$ to buy weaponry instead,

I'm tired of buying products that last 1 day past the warranty.

11 posted on 02/17/2018 5:21:49 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Wolfie

Theft does not happen if there is proper law enforcement. I witnessed the theft by China FIRST HAND. They purchased technology developed over 60 years of research at the outfit I worked for. There should have been LAWS IN PLACE to prohibit transfer of technology. Our conservative politicians spouting free trade failed the country.


12 posted on 02/17/2018 5:31:40 PM PST by entropy12 (30 Million low wealth, low skill LEGAL chain migrants in 25 years is 60 times worse than DACA)
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To: Mariner

“We have at least a $500bil trade deficit with them. “

Actually it’s $375b.


13 posted on 02/17/2018 5:41:38 PM PST by CodeToad (CWII is coming. Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: cba123
"Might". There's that popular word being used a lot by the so called "media" these days.

The farticle could have also been headlined. "Trump MIGHT NOT be close to escalating a trade fight with China."

14 posted on 02/17/2018 6:19:55 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (#NotARussianBot)
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To: cba123

He might be but he is not. The Chinese will back down in any fight with Trump. Make no mistake they can see that Eurostan is going into the toilet and eventually won’t have the money to buy what China makes. They have been around a long time and they re not stupid.


15 posted on 02/18/2018 6:08:54 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism us truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: factoryrat
Even if we cut off imports from china, it will take years to bring us back up to what we used to be able to produce.

With today’s tech, from prefab steel buildings to computerized lathes I think much quicker than “years”.

16 posted on 02/18/2018 6:52:11 AM PST by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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To: jdsteel

Especially with President Trump in charge.

For any criticism I may sound like I send his direction, I am just concerned and I really see him as the one candidate who ran in the last twenty years, who is really for America once again.

Maybe he is slowly and quietly, making preparations for such an operation.

After all, fifty years ago the A-bomb was constructed by teams all over the country, without anyone being aware.

Could just be, that might happen once again.


17 posted on 02/18/2018 7:28:50 AM PST by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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To: jdsteel

With steel and CNC equipment imported from china?

Good luck with that.

Domestic manufacturers of these materials and technologies are between exceedingly rare, to nonexistent.

Try to buy a US sourced machine tool, with 100% US sourced component content.

The US abandoned heavy manufacturing in the 1980’s for cheap foreign labor in third world communist countries.

Large US companies are sales, marketing, and financial firms now.

The chinese think decades ahead in their planning. Americans don’t see anything past the next quarter.


18 posted on 02/19/2018 3:57:50 PM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it. MAGA!)
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To: factoryrat

Yeah, the Chinese think decades ahead...that’s why they have crumbling “ghost cities”. Look ‘em up.

If US companies had a compelling reason to ramp up manufacturing of steel, tools or parts it could happen damn quick.


19 posted on 02/20/2018 3:42:53 AM PST by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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To: UCANSEE2

Partner, U got that right. It seems like WalMart, Target and all the others that have their products made and shipped from the Chicoms are always inferior. I have the same problem also.

The Chinese are dumping steel products into this country like never before yet we continue to buy their products because a lot of companies just only care about the bottom dollar.

In fact, I would say all of these companies are so much in the tank for "Globalists" that they are now a bunch of socialists putting communist countries ahead of our own American value and honor systems.

If it comes from outside the U.S.A. we should consider them all inferior.

I ain't buying another thing that is made in China and shipped from China.

20 posted on 02/21/2018 7:56:10 AM PST by TheConservativeTejano
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