Re: post #102 - I feel the same was about parents who let their little kids run loose in ⛪ church. Why take them if they aren’t going to even try to have their kid learn to listen & learn. To me it’s all the same lack of parenting.
Whenever -parents let the kids run wild in a restaurant, I hand the kids stuff. Like the bowl of sugar packets, an open catsup bottle, silverware, full water glass, etc.