Why More Men Than Ever View Marriage as a Bad Deal

PJ Media ^ | 03/09/2018 | John Hawkins

[Ambrosia]

Those numbers cannot be correct based on CDC reports:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/marriage_divorce_tables.htm

2014: 6.9% rate per 1000 population is marriage rate, and 3.2% is divorce/annulment rate. Which means the rate of divorce to marriages is less than 50% range. 3.2 % of 1000 is 32, and 6.9% of 1000 is 69; that means 47 of those marriages survived of the 6.9% marriage rate.

Where are the statistics page for the other percentages?

[fr_freak]

That’s exactly the kind of smarmy crap that makes American women so unbearably obnoxious.

For those guys who haven't figured it out yet, women are hardwired to have very little empathy for men. They can break a nail and cry and demand that the world stop, but a man with a knife through his chest just needs to stop being such a big baby. Meanwhile (most) men are hardwired to be over-sympathetic to women.

In other words, never look to a woman to sympathize with your plight, especially when that sympathy might interfere with her sense of entitlement.

[Ambrosia]

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/marriage_divorce_tables.htm

[aquila48]

“Why More Men Than Ever View Marriage as a Bad Deal”

Might it have anything to do with the “F” word - Feminists?

[Ambrosia]

Note that marital disruption on those tables also includes death....no divorce rate, from ‘BookmanTheJanitor

[vooch]

we older men should communicate these lessons to younger men.

choose the women you associate with wisely and be extremely clear headed that you can be thrown in jail and your life ruined just because she feels upset.

Ask around, most of us would be shocked at how many of our buddies have been ‚convicted‘ of domestic violence.

[DoodleBob]

THE ACTUAL CDC STUDY ASCRIBES A 68-70% PROBABILITY OF A FIRST MARRIAGE LASTING 10 YEARS.

Check it out. On page 18, Table 7...there it is, in black and white.

Despite what the media says, America remains an nation largely of married folks. Using the IRS’ SOI data, 54 million filers in 2014 out of 149 million filers were Married filing jointly, with about 29 million being married filing single. That’s a whole lot of married people.

The divorce rate is not 50% - this is one of the most abused statistics out there...the divorce rate is NOT the quotient of annual marriages and divorces...the divorce rate is #of annual divorces divided by number of marriages at the beginning of the year.

While the 2014 divorce total of 814k excludes data for California, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, and Minnesota, let’s be conservative and gross up 814k by 20%/close to the percentage of electoral votes those states represent...about one million divorces versus about 64 million marriages (54 million married filing jointly couples plus 29/2 million married filing single) is 1/68.5 or a 1.5% divorce rate. BOOM!

No, the NUMERIC TRUTH is Americans love marriage, love the institution of marriage, and have not caved in to magazines and the media, pushing an anti-marriage agenda. Americans voting with their lives generally belie that false narrative.

[Secret Agent Man]

Lets see how to get only 6.6% of marriage survive 10 years.

In the same data it also states the marriage rate is 6.8 per 1000 and divorce rate is 3.4 per 1000.

So it seems 50% marriage will last.

From the pew research site, it states that 40% of marriage is remarriage. So the rate for divorce + remarriage is 6.12 while the marriage rate is 6.8. That means first time marriage that end in failure can go up to 90%.

However it should be less then 90% because we are not accounting for people who married for more then one time get divorce again. If we use the statistic of 40% of divorce are from remarriage and should not be counted again, first time marriage failure maybe as low as 70%.

So it is at minimum 70% and maximum 90%. Given that some people have surviving second marriages, or dies before getting second / third divorce, the numbers move closer to 90%.

For whites, the remarriage rate is 60% so the minimum failure rate rise to 80%. So it is likely 90% of brothers that marry are divorce at least once.

So yeah 90% of first time marriage failure does not seem too exaggerated. And the non white brothers first marriage failure rate does not fall too far behind.

So we know the 50% marriage failure rate is a lie, they just need to hide the remarriage statistic.

[Yaelle]

This is true but marriage can be just as bad for a woman with money, if not worse. If the husband messes up, he has spent HER money, doesn’t help with the kids, how is that not a bad deal for the woman? I’m with the burnt guys here, as a woman, because I gave and gave and gave and ended up screwed. Not seeing the upside to marriage unless you literally approach it from the start like a full on business deal. I was a dumb romantic.

[Yaelle]

But it soon became evident that they were not I interested in equality, but in superiority.

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This bothers me about the gay agenda. At first I was supportive of human rights, being treated kindly, rights of hospital visits, family inheritances etc. now it’s gone to gay people wanting more rights than straights, especially social advantages.

[Yaelle]

Oh. I was exactly like your wife. I’m not bragging, I’ve got my faults and all, but I was loyal and devoted and generous and understanding...

So I had to use my good retirement $ to support myself and the kids when he took time off from all responsibilities.... I now 20-20 hindsight see no advantage to me for having been so devoted and loyal and loving.

[Ambrosia]

Please read your own link, and the “ Marriage the First Ten years.” It says Women have a 50% chance of divorce in first ten years...

Overall, marriage is now under the 50% mark, but not 68-70% in first ten years, as I read your link!

I am not against marriage, I have a good one. And if CA were included it might raise the divorce rate. Read your own link article that says it is about 50% for women in first ten years.

[Reddy]

From what I understand , that erroneous 50% divorce rate is caused by including people who divorce NUMEROUS TIMES. That is what skews the divorce rate numbers. If you look at first marriage statistics, the divorce rate is quite low.

[Yaelle]

Seems like there is a bunch of us who’ve been burned by marriage showing up on these threads. I feel bad for all of you.

[Yaelle]

Of course being a single father without access to his kids has to be a really hard pill to swallow.

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Horrible. But so is having the kids’ father show little interest and pay $0 to their being raised.

[StAnDeliver]

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr049.pdf

[Ambrosia]

Also the link statistics includes deaths, which they said are rare in 1st 20 yrs of marriage. In the CONCLUSION it said Women/Men in first marriage at 20 yrs was 52% for women, and close to same for men, forgot %.

There is a point around 10 yrs, it is what DoodleBob said, on the chart...68-78%. Which is close to the 47 marriages succeeded(68.1%) vs 69 marriages (ALL pr 10000, less 22 divorces, that I found using the CDC stastics, I posted.

THE LONG VIEW at 20 years, even in DoodleBob link, does take us back to the 50-55% range....sadly.

[Bikkuri]

I was lucky that a friend of mine worked with a govt. lawyer;

My ex had been sleeping with her boss (bank boss.. go figure), and I finally caught them.
I was willing to forgive her, but she wanted to go where the money was (her boss).

My MIL was threatening to drain every penny from my life, until my friend talked to her and threatened to publicly publish all of the gory details of what caused the divorce in the first place, backed by his lawyer friends (and copies of ex’s e-love-mails back and forth with her boss)...

MIL never bothered me again, and all I lost was my life with my ex.

(BTW, FIL was on my side and called his daughter a filthy slut, right in front of me)

[StAnDeliver]

[DoodleBob]

My apologies, but Table 7 is quite clear that the percentages of surviving ten years is 68% for women and 70% for men. Indeed, on page 7 the narrative is clearer:

In 2006–2010, the probability of a first marriage lasting at least 10 years was 68% for women and 70% for men. Looking at 20 years, the probability that the first marriages of women and men will survive was 52% for women and 56% for men in 2006–2010. These levels are virtually identical to estimates based on vital statistics from the early 1970s.