Posted on 03/10/2018 7:18:24 PM PST by SeekAndFind
Naw. You’re just getting my take in a few posts. Give me a few pages and I’m sure you will find we are really not that far apart. After all, I re-married. :)
My comments come from my own experience as well as the experiences of many men I know personally as well as the stories of many men I don’t. It’s kinda funny how we can look back at segments of history and, with hindsight, see the lunacy in the laws of the day, but we seem to have a hard time doing it with the current world in which we live.
All we really have to do is abolish no-fault divorce or alter it thusly: If one wants a “no-fault” divorce, they can leave. Leave the spouse, the house, the kids, everything. Or they can stay.
That would drastically increase the “fairness” of the whole thing. Suddenly, “for better or worse and in sickness and in health” would have the teeth it used to have. Marriage is for life. At least, It’s supposed to be.
Do you know that some men quit working after a divorce? I know of two men who did just that. Both had earned very high incomes. One was a surgeon at a well known medical center
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My college roommate had an ex husband who walked away from his medical practice until the children were 18. He was unemployed. Lived with women who paid for him. My play group friend had a MIT educated engineer who worked on a factory line for minimum wage unitl his youngest was 18. My ex husband needed to leave because his hidden addiction started to bankrupt us, and left his 200K per year job to work as a driver in order to avoid child support. He also took our substantial retirement funds and amassed a high seven figure retirement nest egg playing the market.
And I’ll ask you the same question: what’s your point?
Some parents, some male parents, cripple their income in order not to pay child support.
That’s because it is a very bad deal for men
Good for them if they live in a place where they can get away with it!
Of course I would argue there's probably much more to the story than you reveal if those men are willing to cut off their nose to spite their face in such a way, but it does reveal what you consider the salient issue. "Child support" sounds rather innocuous when one is actually talking about "chilamony," custody dispute, etc.
Furthermore, some custodial mothers pimp out their children as sexual slaves. Others allow their children to be molested by their live-in boyfriends. Does that change your opinion of female rectitude?
Good for them if they live in a place where they can get away with it!
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so you don’t believe that men and women should support their lawful children? I am not sure we have much more to discuss.
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Of course I would argue there’s probably much more to the story than you reveal if those men are willing to cut off their nose to spite their face in such a way, but it does reveal what you consider the salient issue. “Child support” sounds rather innocuous when one is actually talking about “chilamony,” custody dispute, etc.
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I don’t know what you mean by chilamony. child support is needed when custody arrangements are lopsided. No custody disputes in any of the situations cited, none of the men wanted more than brief weekly visitation. They just didn’t want to support their legal children. I was appalled. These are successful men who copped out on their kids. The children of all these families are now between the ages of 18 and 38. They carry those scars of not being valued by their fathers.
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Furthermore, some custodial mothers pimp out their children as sexual slaves. Others allow their children to be molested by their live-in boyfriends. Does that change your opinion of female rectitude?
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Jesus Christ protect me! So you are equating felonious immoral criminal behavior as a baseline to judge mothers/parents?
You are a sick ...one.
Oh I guarantee you won't want to continue the discussion, but it will be with the standard female faux outrage used in place of reasoned argumentation.
I don’t know what you mean by chilamony.
And apparently you lack the intellectual curiosity to find out by investing two mouse clicks while already seated at your computer.
They just didn’t want to support their legal children. I was appalled. These are successful men who copped out on their kids.
Apparently you'll believe any fairytale so long as it confirms your bias. Successful men DO NOT walk away from careers they've spent YEARS developing for trivial reasons.
Either there are elements to these stories you don't know, or you're simply not disclosing them. Men do not deploy that kind of self-injuring spite just to evade responsibilities they've previously accepted and maintained.
So you are equating felonious immoral criminal behavior as a baseline to judge mothers/parents?
Not at all.
I'm simply demonstrating histrionic anecdotes that prove nothing are easy to counter.
You can't have it both ways. If you can judge men as parents based on hearsay about their willingness to pay their ex-wives, I can judge women as parents by equally self-serving standards.
You are certainly a papertyger.
Cannot discuss this issue with someone so bitter and twisted. Cannot provide experiences to discuss with someone so angry and bitter.
Sorry life stinks for you.
Of course can’t, but you can leave digs can’t you?
You do understand your transparent duplicity is amusing in its banality, right?
Think what you must to get through your limited and flat day.
Ultimately, that is the difference between you and me.
What I “must think” is predicated on objective truth, and what you “must think” is predicated on preserving your vanity and chauvinism.
funny, I tell you objective information and you twist it.
Leftist, are you??
But I told YOU objective information and you used it as the basis for contriving an accusation.
Now you’re calling me a leftist.
If YOU’RE a conservative woman, it’s no wonder actual liberal woman are nigh impossible to engage in reasoned debate.
Why indeed. There's an answer, if you're open to it.
Do people act differently after the ceremony?
Seriously-I’m tired of men choosing women for their beauty or sexual prowess rather than their character, then complaining that all women are greedy, manipulative witches when her selfishness (that was apparent all along) is magnified because she no longer cares what he thinks.
A person’s character reveals itself in small ways over time. No one completely changes their true self just because they got married.
But go ahead and tell me what really happens to women after marriage.
Your challenge reeks of attitude, since I said...Do people act differently after the ceremony?
What pushed your button?
Are men not people? Are women not people?
What?
“Maybe you nay saying donkeys need to look elsewhere for Mrs. Right. OMG, you all are ridiculous. I know it may surprise a bunch of you but sometimes love really is love, and when you find it that other person is willing and wanting to follow the same steps through life. “
You are the problem. Giving women any power over a man is a common sign of civilization in decline. Russia and China knows this is a cause of civilizational decline. That’s why they are rolling back women’s power.
“Thanks for posting the ‘truth’, I was getting depressed reading this thread. So sad the comments.”
Another Thot defending the US Family Court System...
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