Posted on 03/11/2018 3:55:19 PM PDT by Lazamataz
NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY could ever call me a Never Trumper. In fact, I was perhaps one of the very first Trump supporters on this forum.
However, by using his Executive Order to ban bump-stocks as machine guns -- despite the fact that they STILL PULL ONE TRIGGER FOR ONE ROUND BEING FIRED -- he has just done something in an extra-judicial manner.
Despite the clear language of the law that defines automatic weapons -- that one trigger pull discharges multiple rounds continuously -- his EO causes the language to be ignored.
Now, I get that Trump bashed the NRA, then met with them the next day. I get that. That’s chicken feed for the liberals and RINOs.
BUT
Trump banned bump stocks pretty much by Executive Order.
DO YOU REALIZE WHAT THAT MEANS?
It means the first Democrat who gets elected will ban ALL SEMIAUTOS by Executive Order. All they have to do, with this precedent, is show someone firing a semi-auto in a bump-fire method using a pants belt-loop. Voila: It's a full-auto. Therefore, it can be EO'd away.
The right thing to have done was to encourage / demand the House give him a bump stock ban bill. Then get it through the Senate. Then sign it.
But by doing what he just did, he made it possible for Dems to EO firearms away.
Some one needs to shut Ivanka up
I *absolutely* agree with this comment.
HOWEVER
The *way* bump-stocks were banned -- by Executive Order -- *****IS***** a hill to die on.
Do not think his EO would withstand judicial review.
But bumpstockj were an endangered species since Las Vegas. Hard to defend something that converts a gun to something else.
I think the President did this to avoid it being inserted into a bill. Then all these a$$holes add conditions, extra bans, anything they want and Trump would either have to veto it (politically dangerous) or pass it.
This gives him a little more control IMHO
Technically this isn’t being done by EO.
The method of implementing this "smallest something" is the "biggest something" I have ever seen. It is completely extra-judicial.
Let’s not forget when the STRIKER-12 shotgun was declared to illegal because it could fire 12 rounds fast.
“The Striker and Streetsweeper were declared destructive devices under the National Firearms Act with no sporting purpose by Treasury Secretary Lloyd Bentsen in 1994 and their transfer and ownership is regulated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF).[8]”-Wikpedia
Howsa bout we do it with a bill that originates in the House, goes to the Senate, then back to the House, then to the President's desk for signing? That would work pretty well.
Sixteen years ago the PATRIOT Act wasn't the hill to die on, either.
And thanks to GWB, Obama and Napolitano and Holder and Pelosi made fools of us.
I suppose I’ll have to turn in my belt. If it is considered a bump stock.
Bump stocks are for poseurs anyway. A shit product for morons. Let him sacrifice them. The buyers can spend the money on baggy pants and 22 inch rims.
That set a precedent that could easily encompass all so-called Assault Weapons. It is only fear that prevents the Dems from simply doing it.
I see what you are saying and I agree. But it is a throwaway for him, a little chicken bone to the gc people. You can do the bumpstock trick with your jeans. He doesn’t mean it. But yes, as a constitutional purist is was wrong. He’s got bigger fish to fry right now.
And I would have been the first Trumper on FR if it weren’t for the time difference. Only reason you beat me. ;)
It’s never the hill to die on for you squishes.
Any compromise of God given and Constitutionally protected liberty is a surrender of them all.
You do not negotiate with those who mean to enslave you.
That may be right. But I think Laz has a real point about the process of accomplishing this. The President is making a PR move trying to get out of the line of fire, but he set a very dangerous precedent.
Fine. Can we do it in a legal way, instead of an EO?
Well... then we need to BAN DEMOCRATS from running for President.
Since everyone knows that most Democrat politicians are corrupt, we should Ban them from running for any office.
I hear your frustration - but since when did bump stocks ever increase accuracy?
Spray & pray?
It isn’t an EO its an ATF rule.
Frankly, I see no bigger fish than recognizing he made a Constitutional mistake, recinding it, and getting his chicken-bone the right way -- through a bill.
There simply is no bigger fish at all, save, perhaps, nuclear or conventional world war.
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