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Interstellar Trade Is Possible
Tough SF ^ | 3/21/17

Posted on 03/16/2018 9:36:20 PM PDT by LibWhacker

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To: LibWhacker
Thanks. This is a very good and balanced discussion of interstellar trade.

This quote at the end is interesting:

"Financial products can allow a company that invests in interstellar operations to produce a cash flow greater than just what is sold on the market, by selling intangibles such as rights, data, growth and investor confidence."

Sounds a lot like a description of bitcoin.

21 posted on 03/16/2018 10:23:00 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: LibWhacker
If you like these sorts of articles, you might also like videos by this guy:

Isaac Arthur

22 posted on 03/16/2018 10:24:48 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Thanks! Right up my alley.


23 posted on 03/16/2018 10:28:59 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

Bookmarked for later full read beyond the scanning.

One question though.

How the heck did you managed to all that text with html codes for images into the tiny FR posting text box?

Regarding “seeding” by micro elements. Skeptic asks would not alien civilizations perceive these swarms as a plague and cat walk back to our system and zap the crap out of us?


24 posted on 03/16/2018 10:37:42 PM PDT by Covenantor (Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern. " Chesterton)
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To: P.O.E.

Herbs and spices that contain, say, fountain-of-youth compounds we can’t synthesize?


25 posted on 03/16/2018 11:01:28 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

Picture another race dumping self replicating nanobots into our ocean, it would be an act of war.


26 posted on 03/16/2018 11:20:33 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: Covenantor
In Firefox, highlight the passage you want to post. Then right-click it and click on 'View Selection Source' in the drop down menu. Then copy and paste that into FR's posting box. It'll capture all the text, images, html, etc. There are usually some little glitches that won't look quite right, but it's good enough for government work!
27 posted on 03/16/2018 11:21:34 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: UCANSEE2
No you can't. If you could build a craft that could travel at or near the speed of light you just can't just ‘’hit the brakes’’ like it was a car. If you did you'd be a smear on the inside wall/bulkhead or what ever of your ship. And besides, as yet we humans do not posses the knowledge, that is to say, the math to make the material to build a craft, or the math and the fuel or energy to create a propulsion system to power such a craft. And even if we did, by the laws of psychics known to us and the distances between star systems, let alone galaxies, even if we could create all this science and technology and build a spaceship, if you will, because a single light year, the distance light travels in a vacuum in one year(i.e one light year= 6 trillion miles) by the time you'd gone even a quarter of that distance, an 1/8 of that distance really, everything and everyone you left behind on Earth will be long gone.
28 posted on 03/17/2018 12:21:30 AM PDT by jmacusa ("Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: UCANSEE2

You accelerate for the first half the trip, and decelerate thereafter. If it’s a manned interstellar flight, you’re pretty much limited to a constant G force of not much more than 1 G, but even at that you can approach light speed in less than a year. You just need the propulsion technology for constant 1 G, however you do it.

Assuming you can do it, your biggest problem would be relativistic time dilation. If you make the round trip to the nearest stars at an average speed which is a significant percentage of C, the Earth you return to is quite a bit older than your onboard clock/calendar will indicate.

If you go fast enough and far enough, you might in fact return to a far-in-the-future Earth which saw the end of your civilization in some cataclysm, followed by hundreds of thousands of years of primitive tribes surviving as hunter/gatherers, then more thousands of years as the tribes developed agriculture and trade routes and metal-working, then more centuries in which technology advanced to roughly the equivalent of what we had in 1947.

In the possibly millions of years since your departure from Earth, your species has undergone radical physical transformation to the point that the only commonality remaining is the basic form of torso, head and two arm and two legs.

Your return to your home planet would be interpreted as the arrival of aliens. No doubt about it.


29 posted on 03/17/2018 12:22:41 AM PDT by JustaTech (A mind is a terrible thing)
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I dunno... I hear them Centauri’s can be shred customers. Best to just leave ‘em alone.


30 posted on 03/17/2018 12:24:01 AM PDT by jmacusa ("Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: American in Israel

Send out everything you’d want somebody out there to know about you on a laser blip. Like in a supermarket scanner. Seriously.


31 posted on 03/17/2018 12:25:26 AM PDT by jmacusa ("Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: Doctor DNA

I was thinking tulips. Funny.


32 posted on 03/17/2018 1:36:09 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: LibWhacker

One can not exceed the local speed of light; but one can exceed the overall speed of light. You do that by bending the “lines” of space towards you such that you only have to cover one yard to get ten yards. One of the key pieces of the puzzle is to “hide” the mass of the spaceship until it is accelerated and is needed to bend space.


33 posted on 03/17/2018 2:08:41 AM PDT by Revolutionary ("Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!")
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To: LibWhacker
The only way interstellar trade makes sense is if there is a back door to the c limit.
34 posted on 03/17/2018 2:25:32 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: LibWhacker

Crackpottery, def: Any thing which does not fit the prevailing meme (academic or personal) or is simply declared ‘impossible’ by ‘authorities’. Use of the word warns the reader that new thinking or the art of the plausibly possible is highly discouraged or could be forthcoming with ridicule unleashed.


The article presupposes that travel must be done by objects pushing through space time. If that is the case, then the article might be substantially correct in its assumptions and possibilities.

However:

If an object can be made to rise above space time and then move by depressing space time in the direction of desired travel, then none of the currently limiting physics apply. The object is free to move at any speed, thus the faster it goes, the faster it can go.

This same system could be made so as to ‘trap’ a bit of space time from its original origin point, thus crew would experience only the forces prevalent in the captured segment, or. plainly. no effects of motion at all.

There would be no limiting size for the object, and no prolonged time spent traveling. In other words, mass-cancellation and inertial shielding permit these effects.

Oddly enough these physics have been described already years ago - Quantum Physicists: Harold E Puthoff, Bernard Haisch (also worked at Skunkworks), Alfonso Rueda, York Dobyns. cf: “Inertial Mass and the Quantum Vacuum Fields”; “Polarizable-Vacuum (PV) Approach to General Relativity: Zero-point Field and Hyperbolic Motion, Cyclic Power Extraction from Casimir Cavity Oscillations “ - HE Puthoff

There are options under general relativity that do not preclude surpassing the pubic conception of limitations on speed of travel. One is that it is possible to use the energy inherent in everything to move things - the energy contained within the so-called empty vacuum to propel objects

Also: The Warp Drive: Hyper-fast Travel Within General Relativity, Miguel Alcubierre. 1994. Uses exotic matter, not worm-holes.

There are many many others writing papers on zero-point energy and its uses.


35 posted on 03/17/2018 4:40:42 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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36 posted on 03/17/2018 4:55:37 AM PDT by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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To: LibWhacker

I still want to sign on with the Firefly crew.


37 posted on 03/17/2018 5:05:06 AM PDT by Tom Bombadil
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To: UCANSEE2

Bingo!

You have to accelerate for 1/2 the trip, and then decelerate the rest of the time.


38 posted on 03/17/2018 5:35:52 AM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: LibWhacker

I’ll gladly pay you in 100,000 years for a space hamburger today.


39 posted on 03/17/2018 5:36:05 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (The first step in ending the war on white people is to recognize it exists.)
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To: LibWhacker

That might just be tantalizing enough to get some rich folks to plonk down a bankroll.


40 posted on 03/17/2018 5:38:31 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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