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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Had it been a Chinese muzzie black trans, makes little difference.
Guaranteed, this design was checked seven ways to Sunday,
by a qualified engineering staff.

Probably twice or more, first by the design team second time by the builder’s team.

My guess is either an error in the drawings or something in the means and methods of the builder.

Recall the terrible walkway collapse at the Kansas Hyatt, about 1980.


4 posted on 03/18/2018 5:16:47 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (This Space for Rent)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Golden Gate BRIDGE STILL STANDS.


9 posted on 03/18/2018 5:24:30 PM PDT by buffyt (John 14:6)
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The final design still required a central pylon and cable stays. Construction of the main support/suspension pylon hadn’t even been started.

Was this skinny, long tensioner concrete span supposed to be supported by it’s ends for a year while the main pylon was erected, or did someone forget the assembly order instructions?


11 posted on 03/18/2018 5:25:44 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine ("Married with children.")
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To: DUMBGRUNT

That was in 1981. Quite a few engineers lost their professional licenses due to the Hyatt collapse, as well as the engineering firm responsible for the design, which could only handle 60% of the load required according to the Kansas City Building Code. It has been used as a case study in professional ethics for engineers.


12 posted on 03/18/2018 5:26:53 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
something in the means and methods of the builder.

That's what I think. That span was not intended to support itself.

17 posted on 03/18/2018 5:31:18 PM PDT by NutsOnYew (If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
I agree with what you listed on the construction side and would add another two to this. One, botched field installation and two incorrect specification components were either ordered or erroneously delivered. I'm always suspicious of falsified materials specification items as well.

I am not yet convinced that the designers were at not at fault though. I've encountered several significant failures caused by both well known and obscure designers. A PE really doesn't mean that much to me and a university professor even less. In addition, I am always suspicious of design and equipment type by an engineer that has a financial interest in the equipment or technique. Often enough, I have found their recommendations to be biased to the harm of the owner. Full independence is best IMHO.

This was already a weird situation to me in that the street below was apparently open to traffic before testing had even been completed and worse still traffic was going under the bridge while testing was being performed. Weird.

28 posted on 03/18/2018 6:07:20 PM PDT by Hootowl99
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