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When people talk about parallels between Rome and the US they usually mean the fall of the Republic not so much as the fall of the Western Empire. I read about disease and history. The Roman Empire started to be ravaged by epidemics when regular trade opened up with China, Central Asia, and India via the Indian Ocean or the Silk Road. Roman women luved silks but plague went along for the ride too.
1 posted on 03/19/2018 5:36:18 AM PDT by C19fan
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Those noxious chariots really messed up the atmosphere. All that Roman smog!


2 posted on 03/19/2018 5:39:15 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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So climate caused,or helped cause,the fall of Rome? Yah,OK...I can see all those SUVs circling the Colosseum and all those 747s flying overhead.

I saw a documentary not long ago that said that there's irrefutable evidence that Central Park in Manhattan was once enveloped by a glacier almost a mile thick.And yet for centuries there hasn't even been a hint of a glacier there.

3 posted on 03/19/2018 5:42:01 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (You Say "White Privilege"...I Say "Protestant Work Ethic")
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I thought it was Poor Leadership ,LOL , the First Demonut Party
4 posted on 03/19/2018 5:42:12 AM PDT by butlerweave
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Socialism defeated rome.


6 posted on 03/19/2018 5:43:10 AM PDT by fruser1
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I would disagree.

I think the Roman Empire disintegrated as a cohesive unit because of uncontrolled migrations of people who would not assimilate. The laws, the culture, the political administration could not handle the influx of outsiders who held on to their barbarian ways.

Sound familiar?


7 posted on 03/19/2018 5:46:17 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The government cannot protect you and isn't even trying. Self-defense is a right.)
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“The speed with which we’re recapitulating the decline and fall of Rome is impressive,” opined the conservative commentator Bill Kristol,

One of the major contributors to the fall of Rome was migration, you putz.

So build a Wall.

Romans SHOULD have done that.


9 posted on 03/19/2018 5:56:10 AM PDT by JPJones (More tariffs, less income tax.)
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What is NOT mentioned is:

There WAS a Roman Warming Period, there were NO SUV’s and it was WARMER than the Current Warming Period.

And when it ended, Rome did indeed fall.

Warming is good.


10 posted on 03/19/2018 5:59:03 AM PDT by JPJones (More tariffs, less income tax.)
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Bull Shiiet! Rome fell because Romans didn’t want to fight anymore so some of their Legions were 80% and more non Romans who were there for the money. When ruthless barbarians came after them they collapsed.


14 posted on 03/19/2018 6:01:40 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism us truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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Explanations of "Why Rome fell" are as numerous as explanations of the cause of the American Civil War. Serious historians understand the principle of multiple causation, ie, events of this magnitude are determined by a confluence of factors.

It is true, the rise and fall of Rome parallels climate fluctuations. This has nothing to do with us today because we are undergoing no such fluctuations. It might, if the predicted cooling begins to occur.

19 posted on 03/19/2018 6:13:57 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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It was illegal immigration that caused the fall of the Western Empire.


20 posted on 03/19/2018 6:14:53 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents__Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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“Historians have long neglected the role of these actors — germs and climate — in bringing down Rome,”

And crystal ball gazers making comparisons between Rome and today IGNORE the scientific and technological advancements human society has made, which collectively make human capabilities today better poised to overcome the natural disasters that helped Rome’s decline.

The political and moral similarities however are another matter.


21 posted on 03/19/2018 6:19:27 AM PDT by Wuli
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The Goths were right to be pissed off at Rome. The climate was heating up and they begged Romans to park their SUV's but they get zooming up and down the Appian Way in their Hummers. Rome deserved to fall.

And just because Gibbon forgot to mention it doesn't mean it didn't happen!

22 posted on 03/19/2018 6:25:56 AM PDT by pgkdan (The Silent Majority STILL Stands With TRUMP!)
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Except those weren’t the cause. You’d have to be pretty blind to Roman history not to know it was in large part immigration and mass migration.


23 posted on 03/19/2018 6:29:30 AM PDT by Williams (Stop tolerating the intolerant.)
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Same garbage floated when Barbara Tuchman
Released “A Distant Mirror” an eon ago .. It’s all
Just hubris to fill news space ...


28 posted on 03/19/2018 6:52:04 AM PDT by StAnDeliver ( Parkland is the most massive failure in law enforcement since 9/11)
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The Roman Empire fell for the same reason the Spanish, British and Soviet Empires fell, and for the same reason ours will fail. It’s why all empires or societies are bound to fail. People simply stop believing in them. Over time, contradictions arise that can no longer be resolved through the belief in a common identity or system of government. These contradictions are inherent in any economic, moral, social, and military establishment. This is what History is all about


30 posted on 03/19/2018 6:56:47 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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One of the often over looked reasons Rome fell was poltical factions were frequently more interested in stabbing their political opposition in the back then fighting the enemies of the Empire.

Sound familiar?


31 posted on 03/19/2018 7:03:50 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ("The political class is a bureaucracy designed to perpetuate itself" Rush Limbaugh)
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An excellent case has been made that the key was when Rome conscripted foreigners to do all of the jobs that they did not want to do or did not have the people to do. IOW, they imported illegal aliens. Sound Familiar? They had expanded so far that they could no longer staff all of the needs of the Empire.


32 posted on 03/19/2018 7:11:57 AM PDT by richardtavor
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The “Climate Of Stupidity & Weakness” is bringing the American Republic down. And “conservatives” like Bill Kristol, Marco Rubio, Linda Grahamnesty, Jeff Flake, Paul Ryan, and John McCain are Exhibit A.


33 posted on 03/19/2018 7:14:43 AM PDT by TTFlyer
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And yet the Byzantine Empire lasted 1,000 years after Rome fell.


37 posted on 03/19/2018 8:26:51 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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I thought it was the Russians.


39 posted on 03/19/2018 8:40:08 AM PDT by dfwgator
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