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The Secret History of the Vikings: New DNA-driven research...
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| March 2018
| Gemma Tarlach
Posted on 03/26/2018 2:49:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: Cronos
I suspect we find the Vikings so interesting because they played an outsized role in the development of modern England, from which most of us still derive our basic historical template. Point of view counts for a lot in writing history.
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posted on
03/26/2018 4:36:14 AM PDT
by
sphinx
To: Cronos
Quite right, the natural climate cycle has caused a long series of cultural and civilizational flowerings in central Asia, followed by a sudden, rapid outward push when the agriculture crashes due to the downtick in the weather. The Scythians were the terror and scourge of the 1st millennium BC, but wound up much more settled and urbane when, centuries later, their relatives the Sarmatians arrived for a similar reason and pounded them.
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posted on
03/26/2018 4:38:27 AM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
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To: raybbr; Cronos
:") I think that's probably backwards -- better info becoming available -- and the Afrcans are descended from people who came from elsewhere, during glaciations.
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posted on
03/26/2018 4:40:30 AM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
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To: Paladin2
Somehow I just don't see Vikings as being stealthy, all that armor would rattle and bang. OTOH, they did sack Luna using trickery...
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posted on
03/26/2018 4:41:51 AM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
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To: Bonemaker
Now all they have to do is figure out how vikings morphed and evolved downward into Swedes. The Vikings left Sweden. Why shouldn't they? Sweden is a cold and harsh place. Some migrated to northern France, where they were known as the Normen (North-men). From there, in 1066, they invaded England and became the aristocracy there.
So who was left in Sweden? The slaves the Vikings brought back from elsewhere, and the ones too timid to go adventuring.
Same thing that happened to the Romans. The original Romans marched all around the world. Many settled elsewhere. Meanwhile, millions of slaves were imported into Rome from elsewhere.
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posted on
03/26/2018 4:41:57 AM PDT
by
PapaBear3625
(Big governent is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
To: Cronos
- after all all barbarians get civilized and "weak" -- look at the Stoic Romans who became the sensuous Italians, look at the fierce Bedos who became the obese Saudis etc. Then there's the European-Americans who became the queer Anderson Coopers and David Hoggs. They were extinct in two generations.
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posted on
03/26/2018 4:42:24 AM PDT
by
TTFlyer
To: x_plus_one
That looks an awful lot like Scott W's.
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posted on
03/26/2018 4:42:36 AM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
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To: Bonemaker
Probably wouldn't find a Swedish/Guntish viking in England -- broadly speaking the Norse went to Ireland and west to Iceland and beyond, the Danes to England and the Swedes east into Russia and down to the Black Sea.
The "Great Heathen Army" that attacked the English kingdoms and sacked East Anglia was comprised of both Norse and Danes, but at other times Hibero-Norse kings fought the Danes over interference in their sphere of influence.
Although the term "Norse" can be generically applied to anybody who came from the north, it most properly applies to Norwegian vikings.
The reason the Scandinavians are such saps today is because the tough ones all left to go a-viking. Only the losers stayed home and spawned pathetic weak bloodlines -- Adolphus Rex notwithstanding :)
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posted on
03/26/2018 4:46:51 AM PDT
by
Wyrd bið ful aræd
(Flag burners can go screw -- I'm mighty PROUD of that ragged old flag)
To: Bonemaker
Now all they have to do is figure out how vikings morphed and evolved downward into Swedes. Must have been the Spam
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posted on
03/26/2018 4:49:43 AM PDT
by
COBOL2Java
(The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen)
To: SunkenCiv
Roger ruled over mostly Mohammadens in Malta and to some extent Sicily. They gradually converted to Christianity over 200 years, some under duress
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posted on
03/26/2018 5:01:32 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
To: sphinx
True. Though they played an indirect role in the development of modern England - because of their fighting the Anglo-Saxons got united
And then later due to their harrying Harold (he defeated them) his army was too tired to fend off William
By themselves I am at a loss to understand what roles they directly played.
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posted on
03/26/2018 5:04:10 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
To: tflabo
But they do have 1 NFL Championship.
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posted on
03/26/2018 5:05:16 AM PDT
by
dfwgator
To: tflabo
“However they still havent conquered a Super Bowl victory yet. (:”
I feel your pain.
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posted on
03/26/2018 5:05:34 AM PDT
by
MichaelCorleone
(Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
To: Jim Noble
Basically: Viking genes show how they integrated with the Irish, English, French, Russians
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posted on
03/26/2018 5:08:24 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
The reason the Scandinavians are such saps today is because the tough ones all left to go a-viking. Only the losers stayed home and spawned pathetic weak bloodlines I was going to go down that path, but then, as you pointed out, the Swedes were still a force in the north uinto the 17th century And also the places the Vikings went to (like England) aren't quite that warrior like any more
it's inevitable - the Persians were horse-riding warriors who took over Elam (modern Fars province) in the 7th century BC and then conquered most of the known world west of the indus 200 years later, yet they were later conquered by Macedonian, Arab and then Turkic peoples
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posted on
03/26/2018 5:11:26 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
To: Cronos
My ancestors are from the southwest coast of Ireland so it looks like I might have some Viking blood in me.
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posted on
03/26/2018 5:15:52 AM PDT
by
Gay State Conservative
(You Say "White Privilege"...I Say "Protestant Work Ethic")
To: SunkenCiv
To: SunkenCiv
Looking for their DNA? Stop looking in Sweden, Denmark or Norway. Nothing there to links them to the Vikings anymore!
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posted on
03/26/2018 5:25:52 AM PDT
by
knighthawk
(We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
To: Gay State Conservative
After 1000 years I'm pretty sure that every Irish, English, Scottish person has Viking veins as does most Poles, many Germans and Russians too
Ditto for Jewish blood in most peoples
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posted on
03/26/2018 5:26:52 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
To: Cronos
After 1000 years I'm pretty sure that every Irish, English, Scottish person has Viking veins as does most Poles, many Germans and Russians too Ditto for Jewish blood in most peoplesI've also seen it written that the Spanish,at one time,made their way to Ireland.If true that would help explain the “black Irish”.Also,it's not difficult to imagine that people from Continental Europe might have some Jewish blood but I doubt many Jews made their way to the tiny island of Ireland.But I suppose I could be wrong.
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posted on
03/26/2018 5:34:25 AM PDT
by
Gay State Conservative
(You Say "White Privilege"...I Say "Protestant Work Ethic")
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