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To: SeekAndFind
shortfall should be resolved by raising taxes rather than reducing benefits for retirees.

get 'yer' sticky fingers off my social security. I paid for it, the government kept and used the money taxfree for decades, and I intend to collect it.

9 posted on 03/29/2018 9:41:15 AM PDT by blueplum ( "...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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Technically, that money was spent as soon as it was collected.


12 posted on 03/29/2018 9:45:46 AM PDT by rb22982
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but if you want to reform SS, then pay women the same as the average man. Women having to stay home and raise kids, nurse parents (and sometimes grandparents), and work part-time, i.e., low wage jobs to boot, means they get less in SS than men for more hours spent working, since SS is based on wages earned.


13 posted on 03/29/2018 9:46:33 AM PDT by blueplum ( "...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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There is no legal right to Social Security, and that is one of the considerations that may decide the coming debate over Social Security reform.

Many people believe that Social Security is an “earned right.” That is, they think that because they have paid Social Security taxes, they are entitled to receive Social Security benefits. The government encourages that belief by referring to Social Security taxes as “contributions,” as in the Federal Insurance Contribution Act. However, in the 1960 case of Fleming v. Nestor, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that workers have no legally binding contractual rights to their Social Security benefits, and that those benefits can be cut or even eliminated at any time.

...saying “To engraft upon the Social Security system a concept of ‘accrued property rights’ would deprive it of the flexibility and boldness in adjustment to ever changing conditions which it demands.” The Court went on to say, “It is apparent that the non-contractual interest of an employee covered by the [Social Security] Act cannot be soundly analogized to that of the holder of an annuity, whose right to benefits is bottomed on his contractual premium payments.”

In an earlier case, Helvering v. Davis (1937), the Court had ruled that Social Security was not a contributory insurance program, saying, “The proceeds of both the employee and employer taxes are to be paid into the Treasury like any other internal revenue generally, and are not earmarked in any way.”

In other words, Social Security is not an insurance program at all. It is simply a payroll tax on one side and a welfare program on the other. Your Social Security benefits are always subject to the whim of 535 politicians in Washington. Congress has cut Social Security benefits in the past and is likely to do so in the future. In fact, given Social Security’s financial crisis, benefit cuts are almost inevitable. Several proposals to cut benefits, from increasing the retirement age to means testing, are already being debated.

Link: https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/is-there-right-social-security


35 posted on 03/29/2018 10:32:36 AM PDT by CharlesMartelsGhost
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