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North Carolina City Officials Reject Plan For Monument Honoring Soviet Aviators
RFE/RL ^ | Mar 2018 | Associated Press

Posted on 03/29/2018 11:06:58 AM PDT by GoldenState_Rose

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To: Enchante
From Dec. 11, 1941 to June 5, 1944 we had no major army in Europe.

I'm sure the Army Air Corp appreciates your sentiments about the loses they incurred for not "being there"

41 posted on 03/29/2018 12:40:00 PM PDT by RedMonqey (" Those who turn their arms in for plowshares will be doing the plowing for those who didn’t.")
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To: RedMonqey

Obviously I was talking about the Eastern Front and land armies that could kill millions of German soldiers. Then I referred to the date at which we were able to field “many dozens of divisions” on land in Europe. If you want to tear my remarks out of context, I can’t help you.


42 posted on 03/29/2018 12:49:56 PM PDT by Enchante (FusionGPS "dirty dossier" scandal links Hillary, FBI, CIA, Dept of Justice... "Deep State" is real)
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To: RedMonqey; Enchante

the last time I looked, Italy is still a part of Europe. We had the Fifth Army fighting there, plus Army logistical units, the USAAF, and the US Navy during 1943-45


43 posted on 03/29/2018 12:51:25 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar

I am well aware of the fronts in Italy, North Africa, tremendous air and sea combat, etc. I was talking specifically about “many dozens of divisions” which could engage and kill potentially into the millions. We could hurt Nazi Germany but we could not WIN the war without “many dozens of divisions” in western Europe.


44 posted on 03/29/2018 12:56:17 PM PDT by Enchante (FusionGPS "dirty dossier" scandal links Hillary, FBI, CIA, Dept of Justice... "Deep State" is real)
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To: GreyFriar

You’re right, I should have been specific about what I meant by “major” or “large” armies, but I thought the context made it clear. I was referring to, at what point could we get 60+ divisions into combat against Germany?


45 posted on 03/29/2018 1:03:23 PM PDT by Enchante (FusionGPS "dirty dossier" scandal links Hillary, FBI, CIA, Dept of Justice... "Deep State" is real)
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To: Enchante; GreyFriar

Then how about the Fifth Army, as Enchante reminded me was fighting in Italy during that time span.

Sorry you do not like to be corrected. It may pass on other sites but on Free Republic there are many people know their history, inside and out.

It is not a shame to be corrected. I have been corrected by GreyFriar for forgetting the Fifth Army Group, yet here I am admitting my error.


46 posted on 03/29/2018 1:33:59 PM PDT by RedMonqey (" Those who turn their arms in for plowshares will be doing the plowing for those who didn’t.")
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To: PGR88

That’s because Roosevelt had actual communists in his administration.


47 posted on 03/29/2018 2:13:24 PM PDT by ebshumidors
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To: RedMonqey

I would be glad to be corrected if you had corrected anything I said, but you didn’t. Before summer 1944 we could fight many air, land, and sea battles against Hitler’s forces, but it was only once we had 60+ divisions engaged on land that we could win and end the war.


48 posted on 03/29/2018 2:14:14 PM PDT by Enchante (FusionGPS "dirty dossier" scandal links Hillary, FBI, CIA, Dept of Justice... "Deep State" is real)
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To: CondorFlight

If they had to build the amount of trucks we sent them in the war it would have come close to halving their AFV production.


49 posted on 03/29/2018 2:44:10 PM PDT by Axenolith (“Sucks” - noticing the palm sized spider on the outhouse wall after you’re commited.)
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To: C19fan
The Russian people were not evil. Their overlords were evil. The Russian people were the victims of communism.

The average Russian soldier was like all soldiers the world over. They just wanted to survive and go home to their families.
 

50 posted on 03/29/2018 2:54:39 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (MAGA in the mornin', MAGA in the evenin', MAGA at suppertime . . .)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie; C19fan

Governor Dinwiddle,

Just as it took the tacit, active, and passive approval of ordinary Germans for the Holocaust to have been accomplished...

So too the Soviet Union and its genocidal terrors and purges. This is the primary conclusion of so many of Russia’s dissident writers! Especially of the Gulag.

One finds that most individuals were betrayed to the authorities and sent to camps, not by government or law officials — but by their own relatives and friends who sought their own survival.

The heroes were the ones who were imprisoned or killed for staying true to God and conscience.

The System required spiritual submission by the millions under it in order to work as long as it did. Beyond Stalin’s reign.

Today the prison archives are locked. Secrets still kept between generations...for fear of unbearable truths coming to light. (Like finding out your own parent was an “informer” who tattled on your aunt, etc...)


51 posted on 03/29/2018 3:28:49 PM PDT by GoldenState_Rose
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To: GoldenState_Rose

I wonder if the monument would look like a huge radio beacon (for spy broadcasting).


52 posted on 03/29/2018 5:19:00 PM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23)
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To: GoldenState_Rose

“” “” “I realize it’s about honoring fallen heroes from World War II, and we have Americans who fought in World War II who are buried in Russia. But times were different then,” council member Anita Hummer said.”” “”

Yep, times were different then. They were Commies but not anymore so no monument. If only it was a Lenin statue then OK.


53 posted on 03/29/2018 7:33:18 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: GoldenState_Rose

During the state dinner as part of a military mission to the USSR during World War 2, Chief of Naval Operations Ernest King offered a toast “To the Heroic Fighting Qualities of the Red Army.”

Stalin dryly replied “It takes a brave man to not be a hero in the Red Army.”


54 posted on 03/29/2018 7:34:07 PM PDT by henkster (Monsters from the Id.)
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To: NorseViking; henkster

A memorial. For them: http://augustinecollective.org/god-in-the-gulag-christianitys-survival-in-soviet-russia/


55 posted on 03/29/2018 7:57:41 PM PDT by GoldenState_Rose
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